Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kike San Martín (3rd nomination)


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The result was   delete. The Bushranger One ping only 04:04, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Kike San Martín
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AfD/Kike San Martín (2nd nomination) closed as "delete". I was neither the nominator of the AfD (The Banner) nor its closer (Keeper76) but I was the most verbose contributor to it. For this reason, I hesitate before summarily deleting it, and instead bring it to others' attention here.

The article was recreated as ""Kike" San Martín", but it's pretty similar to the previously deleted article, whose latest version admins can see here. As an example, from the old, deleted version:


 *  San Martín began his career studying marketing and advertising. Working in a fashion boutique, he photographed regular people wearing its clothing out in Argentina's night scene. San Martín's work caught the interest of a regional newspaper. As a result, he developed a section in the Sunday supplement dedicated to capture the spontaneous heart and spirit of Argentinas' nightlife. Since this first job, San Martín's work in Miami in the editorial industry has included a freelance job in the newspaper El Nuevo Herald. 

From the current one:


 *  San Martín began his career studying marketing and advertising. Working in a fashion boutique, he photographed regular people wearing its clothing out in Argentina's night scene. San Martín's work caught the interest of a regional newspaper. As a result, he developed a section in the Sunday supplement dedicated to capture the spontaneous heart and spirit of Argentinas' nightlife. Since this first job, San Martín's work in Miami in the editorial industry has included a freelance job in the newspaper El Nuevo Herald. 

Uh-huh. (Even "Argentinas" remains plural.)

But hang on, there's a new section, titled "PeTA". Here's what it says (after markup-stripping):


 * Since 2011 the actress and model Patricia de Leon[12] worked with PETA[13] to reduce support for bullfighting among Hispanic people, and was photographed by Kike San Martín for an anti bullfighting campaign.[14][15][16][17][18][19][20]

Most of the proffered sources are in Spanish. Of course there is nothing wrong with this, but anyway let's just look at the titles that these sources are claimed to have. These include:
 * "Ami James: 'Only Cowards Abuse Animals'. Pictures of Kike San Martin". Actual title: "Ami James: ‘Only Cowards Abuse Animals’". (The web page shows one photo; KSM is identified as the photographer in small type. The web page says nothing about KSM.)
 * "Marco Antonio Regil Hosts PETA Latino's Star-Studded Launch Party, shot by renowned photographer Kike San Martin". Actual title: "Marco Antonio Regil Hosts PETA Latino’s Star-Studded Launch Party". (The web page, written in press-release-speak, does say "The ad, available here, was shot by renowned photographer Kike San Martin.")
 * "Actriz panameña se desnuda en campaña de PETA con imágenes del fotógrafo Kike San Martín". Actual title: "Actriz panameña se desnuda en campaña de PETA". The only mention of KSM is "Las imágenes fueron tomadas por el fotógrafo Kike San Martín y constituyeron la primera actividad promovida por PETA Latino."
 * "Ecología: La actriz panameña Patricia de León se desnuda para promover PETA Latino con fotos de Kike San Martín". Actual title: "La actriz panameña Patricia de León se desnuda para promover PETA Latino". (Only mention of KSM is "...en una sesión realizada por el fotógrafo Kike San Martín.")
 * "Con fotos de Kike San Martín, la actriz panameña Patricia de León se desnuda para promover la dieta vegana". Actual title: "La actriz panameña Patricia de León se desnuda para promover la dieta vegana". (Only mention of KSM is "Las imágenes fueron tomadas por el fotógrafo Kike San Martín [...]".)

One problem I pointed out in the second AfD for this article was that the references within it often had their titles more or less subtly altered to emphasize the importance of the biographee, Kike San Martín. This "new" article shows that the person or group serially (re)creating it has learned nothing. The article also contains much unsourced name-dropping (all the celebs that KSM has photographed, etc), and really doesn't assert much notability (in the non-Wikipedia sense of the word). In view of all of this I suggest deletion and salting of both this article and "Kike" San Martín (currently a redirect). -- Hoary (talk) 02:23, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Hoary (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. Hoary (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Hoary (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions. Hoary (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment See also the very similar Articles for deletion/Leo Rocco (despite its title, a second AfD for the same article), also started today. -- Hoary (talk) 06:32, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment KSM is a contributor of celeb photos to Wikimedia Commons. Their captions in en:Wikipedia link to the article on him. They turn out to be an odd bunch of articles; the most amusing I've yet encountered is that on Carlos Mejia, an article that maybe should come to AfD as well. -- Hoary (talk) 12:48, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I just nominated that one for G11. Perhaps this should be considered for some of the others as wll. &#39;DGG (at NYPL)&#39; (talk) 21:26, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete and salt. What is new here does not change his notability, last afd result should be applied here. Reposting is part of a bad faithed gaming of the system.
 * Lorena Pinot created by a Misty. Deleted 2 April 2013. Recreated by User:Lafonomania 19 April 2013 at Lorena Pinot (singer).
 * Kike San Martín created by a Misty. Deleted 20 March 2013. Recreated by User:Lafonomania 19 April 2013 at "Kike" San Martín.
 * Leonardo Rocco created by a Misty. Deleted 9 April 2013. Recreated by User:Lafonomania 19 April 2013 at Leo Rocco.
 * All reposted by a new account at a new location, both to avoid scrutiny, trying to sneek the articles back in through a back door. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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