Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Bo-hyon


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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:14, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Kim Bo-hyon

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This sounds like an interesting article - grandfather of the first Korean dictator, who (according to the article, but I can't even verify this claim!) has been argued by North Korean propaganda to have been involved in the General Sherman incident. Sadly, the sources are non-existent - maybe there is something in Korean, but North Korean propaganda is not a reliable source. If the incident had been analyzed and debunked by independent scholars, then we might have something to work with, but I couldn't find anything except passing mention in the sources. (Maybe there is something in Korean, but the Korean Wikipedia article is poorly referenced). Anyway, even the sources used here are poor: the claim he was involved with Sherman is referenced to, but that article doesn't even mention him (just his son), so really there is nothing to argue he was notable outside of North Korean propaganda venerating the holy dynasty of Kim dictators. Given the lack of sources, I am afraid the best option is to convert this back to a redirect to Kim dynasty (North Korea). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  07:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to Kim dynasty (North Korea) per nom, lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS to meet WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 08:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep was a Kim dynasty figure in North Korea and grandfather of the nation. People from NK have greatly venerated on him. So he was an important figure in the historiography of modern North Korea. VocalIndia (talk) 03:17, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have sources for your assertions? Once that meet WP:SIGCOV? As I said above, at first glance I also thought WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES, so I was looking for them to expand this. Having found next to nothing, I brought this here. If we don't have sources, we can't really save this. Not everyone related to a Foo-dynasty is notable, per WP:INHERITED. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:31, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Historical figure still have to be proven notable in some way by significant coverage; for example, by scandal, charity work, or business activities. He was offered as the Governor of Gyeonggi. It is enough to meet WP:GNG. VocalIndia (talk) 05:27, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "He was offered as the Governor of Gyeonggi."? This sentence is not grammatically correct. In either case, there is no such post, nor anything in the article implies he had something to do with any similar entity. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep looks abundantly notable as an important historical figure with an entry in the 조선녀성 - Page 26, and in the Maecheon Yarok (역주 매천 야록) - Page 84  and another in the Chollima (천리마) - Page 27 excerpted  "August 19 is the birthday of the great leader Kim Il-sung's grandfather, Shin Bo-hyeon Kim.  Every time we face this day, our military and people are respected by our neighbors even in such a poor life, and have been diligently living in high popularity.", also in 客主: 제2부 제3권 京商下 - Page 18  stated "At midday that day, a gentle breeze sent out an epic and summoned Kim Bo-hyeon.  Min Young-ik 's daughter was the Kim clan, the daughter of Kim Young-cheol, and Kim Young-cheol was the son of Kim Bo-hyeon.  Kim Bo-hyun was offered as the Governor of Gyeonggi in early August." Zin Win Hlaing (talk) 04:35, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:PROPAGANDA is not RS. Mztourist (talk) 04:42, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * In addition to what Mztourist said, you imply that he has 'entries' where all that I can see are mentions in passing, 1-2 sentences that do not meet WP:SIGCOV. And going back to Mztourist's point, any and all sources we use here have to be confirmed as to not be NK progagana, or unquestioning reprints of it. Nothing that NK propaganda says can be taken as face value or sufficient for confirming notability of a given topic. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the 조선녀성 is PROPAGANDA book but other books are not. NK is different issue and black-area. If you need more source, pls go to NK's library. Clearly Anti-NK. VocalIndia (talk) 05:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * While I'll wait for you to provide a more detailed analysis of why the other books are not propaganda (WP:ONUS...), SIGCOV remains unaddressed. Even if some of the sources cited are reliable, if there is no significant coverage of the subject, they simply don't meet NBIO. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  11:24, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


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