Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Jew


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The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  06:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Kim Jew

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Photographer of doubtful notability, sources all seem like local business/PR pieces. Also, article is written like an ad. Author removed my advert and notability tags without explanation. NawlinWiki (talk) 02:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:15, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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 * Comment. I tried to read this, but the spam was asphyxiating. Example: he was also given the distinct honor of photographing North America’s largest concave fresco. -- Hoary (talk) 02:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. The Kim Jew Wikipedia entry does not have any issues that would make it a candidate for deletion. The article uses a variety of sources, both within the state of New Mexico and throughout the United States. The sources cited are not PR pieces, but legitimate news stories crafted by journalists, not Kim Jew himself. The breadth of sources shows that there is significant coverage of Kim Jew as a photographer; the sources of publication show that they are reliable; the sources of publication are written from a third party perspective—they are not written by Kim Jew; the sources are independent of the subject. Based on this criteria, I believe that the Wikipedia entry about Kim Jew should be presumed suitable for inclusion. Additionally, Kim Jew’s notability spans decades…the independent coverage cited is not short-term interest. As far as being given the distinct honor of photographing North America's largest concave fresco....as the official photographer, that is an honor. Of course anybody can go and photograph it now...but Kim Jew was hired as the official photographer of this notable work of art. Not to mention that he has photographed 4 US presidents, many celebrities, famous politicians and has had his work featured in a variety of national publications. I understand that Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion…and this entry does not read as such. It is not advocating people to take an action, it is not an opinion piece; it is written from a neutral point of view, and it is written in an objective style….stating facts about Kim Jew’s life and notable contributions to the field of photography....all of which can be and are documented. And NawlinWiki, I apologize for posting on your wall...and thank you for pointing me to the proper place to have this discussion....truly, I was not aware that I was committing a faux pas by posting there.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredniferitz (talk • contribs) 21:19, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. I have made changes to the tone of the entry to what I think you might be referring to as "advertising." I did not intend for this to be an advertisement for Kim Jew or the work he does.  I think his contributions through photography are notable and deserving of an encyclopedic entry.  I felt I’ve obtained a fair amount of references to any claims that are made in the article.  If there are any other specifics that I am overlooking please point them out and I’ll do what I can to make the adjustments.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almondentyte (talk • contribs) 22:59, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Questions. The article tells us: Some of the notable subjects of Jew’s work include former U.S. Presidents George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, as well as President Barack Obama, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Sir Richard Branson, Jay Leno, Dana Carvey, Sophia Loren, Tony Bennett, Miss USA Mai Shanley, and the late Tim Russert. But all of this is sourced to KJ's website. I shouldn't have thought that havving photographed (non-Prez) celebs confers any significance, since they're photographed all the time. Presidents are a bit different though. So where's the independent evidence for this? &para; Have there been books or exhibitions of KJ's work? -- Hoary (talk) 23:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:40, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Response. Thank you for your feedback. I think it's different when the non-Prez celebs are commissioning the work (instead of pics on a red carpet or paparrazi shots), but I'm not sure. The presidential photographs he has taken, they were commissioned by both the Republican and Democratic parties. After the photo shoot, they were given digital files, but I do not know how or where they were published. I think his website is evidence of his body of work, which includes presidents and celebrities; if he were claiming the work of another, he would be facing huge legal implications. Also, I have taken out some other information in the entry that might be seen as trying to advertise and added some information to help clarify things. Please tell me what I should do from this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almondentyte (talk • contribs) 22:48, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

* Delete as commercial spam. Carrite (talk) 04:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Question Can you please tell me why you think this is commercial spam and what I can do to fix it? I really am not trying to create a spammy entry, but an entry that explains the large role Kim Jew has had (and continues to have) in the world of photography. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almondentyte (talk • contribs) 20:59, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Upon further review, seems clean enough now. Stricken. Carrite (talk) 06:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:10, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep - Outside his website, I'm unable to source the presidential (4) & governors of New Mexico (6) to any WP:RS source, but I don't doubt it; the photos are there, and I was unable to match them elsewhere. If untrue... WP:NLT. Assuming WP:V, it justifies the article of a photographer near the pinnacle of the profession, and I'm hard pressed to think what would top it other than Adams, Audobon, Brady, the photography Pulitzer, or official White House photographer. I'm surprised that Category:Presidential photographers doesn't exist. (belated signing) Dru of Id (talk) 17:39, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
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