Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Kimberling (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 20:49, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Kim Kimberling
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I debated nominating this for speedy deletion per WP:G4 in light of the previous deletion discussion, but as there are small differences between the two versions I am putting this up for discussion out of an overabundance of caution. There is nothing to indicate notability. The sources are all directly related to the topic. Even the source that was declared "independent" in the last discussion is an interview with the author, and is therefore not independent. I could find no other sources that weren't by him, or that weren't advertising his services or products. Fails WP:BIO. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 11:59, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 12:25, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 12:25, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

192.160.216.52 (talk) 13:00, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep -- There are sufficient sources. For instance,
 * Premarital class opens up with texting Tulsa World (OK) - January 17, 2009 -- article about how the guy uses texting in his marriage counseling classes.
 * Lessons from long marriage - Family counselor's book has advice for staying together Oklahoman, The (Oklahoma City, OK) - September 27, 2008 -- Review of one of his books.
 * Delete PROMO for a marriage counselor that fails WP:BASIC, WP:AUTHOR despite the fact that he is quoted in a couple of reliable publication Tulsa World and Christian Post and despite the fact that a local paper reviewed his book. It's just not enough.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:28, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Reasonable people can disagree on this one, so I'm not disputing your conclusion. I will mention though that the Tulsa World source does more than just quote him.  The whole article's about him. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 14:30, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Tulsa World article is about the advice class he teaches..E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * 192, I truly appreciate editors who take the time to try to rescue articles as you have, here. That had to have taken some real effort to find.  This article is based on an interview with the subject, how is it therefore WP:INDEPENDENT of the topic?   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:27, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * See Interviews.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:38, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Came here to say just this. Interviews establish notability but they're not RS for the facts stated by the subject. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 18:09, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that this feature story in the regional daily article supports notability. But I still do not see quite enough sourcing, cumulatively, to regard subject as passing WP:N.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:34, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 18:37, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

'7 Secrets to an Awesome Marriage' Author Kim Kimberling Says Managing Expectations Is Key to Marital Bliss]. Nom is mistaken here, a book-and-author interview does support notability. But the three stories - plus the fact that the press in Oklahoma quotes him as an expert voice on these issues - does not seem to quite add up to notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:05, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails to meet WP:N. red dogsix (talk) 12:25, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * In addition to the two regional newspaper stories mentioned above, there was national coverage in the Christian Post, [https://www.christianpost.com/news/marriages-arent-doomed-to-fail-theres-always-hope-says-author-of-7-secrets-to-an-awesome-marriage-141973/


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