Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Taeyeon (Girls' Generation)


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The result was   keep. Nja 247 19:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Kim Taeyeon (Girls' Generation)
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Contested redirect back to parent article (Girls' Generation). As I noted in my summary, she is notable (solely) as a member (the leader) of Girls' Generation. Unlike, say, Im Yoona, who has done acting work (to the point of winning awards) as a solo entertainer, Kim hasn't done much to prove notability as a solo artist. I know that she has done things by herself, so I realise this is somewhat debatable. That's why it's here. :) But I feel that her solo work is not notable enough for her to have her own article.  And all of the information is already on the main Girls' Generation page. SKS2K6 (talk) 16:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  --  I 'mperator 16:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Key members of (unambiguously) notable groups deserve individual biographical articles, if someone wants to contribute the information. Consider that we have individual biographies for (as a random example) all the members of Metallica, despite the obvious lack of solo work. I'm unaware of any precedent for deleting articles on popular and influential musical performers who do not have significant solo careers, and given that we already do have many (very good) biographical articles on musicians who don't, I see no reason to treat this case differently. --Ryan Delaney talk 18:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: But as per WP:MUSICBIO, "members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article." To me, Taeyeon's on the bubble, because she's done some minor things here and there.  Her "biggest" release is that song on the Beethoven Virus soundtrack (I believe that was it...or was it Hong Kil Dong?), and considering it wasn't an official single...I don't know.  Like I said earlier, I can see both sides.  I'm afraid, though, that this will open up a can of worms and have fans create articles for every single member even though most of them haven't done ANYTHING outside of Girls' Generation.  But if notability can be demonstrated, and if there are reliable sources (the article currently has none, because all of them were forum or blog posts), then I guess I have no argument here. :P SKS2K6 (talk) 20:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

*Comment: If this ends up being a keep or no consensus, can a mod move this to Taeyeon? She does not go by her full name.SKS2K6 (talk) 20:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC) (Never mind, Taeyeon doesn't exist, so it can easily be moved there. It's Tae Yeon that currently redirects.) SKS2K6 (talk) 20:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions.  —PC78 (talk) 11:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The nominator misleads the named subject's notability. She is THE LEADER of the popular girl's group and solely appears in many show program and even takes a radio DJ. I think she deserves to have the own article given this ample news.--Caspian blue 12:20, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not persuaded by her status as "leader," because that's not independent of the group and can be well-handled in the group article. What puts her on the bubble for me is her independent aspects of arguable notability: the DJ work; the theme song; and winning the dance contest.  None of these are really big, but in the aggregate, they're enough that I don't find the existence of the article objectionable. TJRC (talk) 15:30, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Week Keep. I think the characterization above by the nominator (!) SKS2K6 that she's "on the bubble" is dead-on.  Given the alternatives of deleting or keeping, my preference is generally to keep.  I'm not worried about setting precedent here.  On a substantive issue, if future articles are similarly on the bubble, I have no problem with their retention; if they're not, there's no reasonable argument to treat the same way.  On the procedural issue, we don't work on a precedent basis, for the most part; see WP:WAX. I agree, though, deletion discussion aside, this article is badly in need of references. TJRC (talk) 15:23, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Since this is a newly created article, I would recommend to be bold and ignore all rules when expanding the article. References can come in at a later time. See WP:WIARM. Cocoma (talk) 14:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: But I don't think that really applies on a WP:BLP. SKS2K6 (talk) 15:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment To clarify further, the WP:BLP rules certainly apply here; but the lack of references is not a ground for deletion. It's a ground for a) adding references to material that ought to be referenced; and b) deleting controversial material that is not supported by references, but not deleting the entire article. TJRC (talk) 23:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment No, not exactly so. It's obvious that they are not original research and does not damage the reputation of Kim Taeyeon. So you should drill it down to the content's verifiability. When verifiability is in question, read WP:BURDEN (that is to give sufficient time for them to provide references).Cocoma (talk) 00:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. First of all, Girls' Generation is a notable kpop group. The point of concern is her notability to have her own article. My reason to keep is that while her solo work is not a lot, both Hong Gil Dong OST's If and Beethoven Virus OST's Can you hear me, are considered notable works in the kpop group, and have both won awards. Thus, I do not agree with SKS2K6, where these works are not notable. It's not a lot, but it's definitely notable. She is also a DJ on radio show and is a former participant on MBC's We Got Married. All above show the subject's notability and doesn't seem to be lower than that of Im Yoona. To conclude, this article requires improvement on the writing, not deletion. Cocoma (talk) 14:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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