Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kinawa Middle School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge/Redirect to district, per WP:School. What we have here, is failure, to communicate. There seems to be a very widespread comfusion about supplemental notability guidelines. These guidelines (in this case a proposed guideline) do not present additional hurdles that an otherwise notable subject has to pass to be considered keepable. On the contrary, these supplemental notability guidelines provide a shortcut to allow retention of articles which do not currently meet the strict requirements of WP:N, but based on their subject matter, can be shown to follow a known precedent that given time they can be shown to be notable. For schools, it has been shown that almost every high school in the world can be shown to be notable. So to avoid deleting them over and over again while wikipedians finally get to the task of finding the required sources to pass WP:N, we generally keep them, as long as they are more than a mere directory listing, because it has been overwhelmingly shown that sources can almost always be found, given enough effort. Lower level schools, however, are less likely to have such sources. For this reason, middle schools are not considered inherantly notable; this does not mean we imediately press the delete button, but rather means we need to consider them against WP:N, and if they fail that, a small listing at the school district is appropriate. The nomination at this AfD seems to stem from a misapplication of the WP:School criteria, to create a new special hurdle. The discussion here did not center around the requirements of WP:N. MOst if not all of this discussion needs to be thrown out as off topic, as a result. However it is clear that this article fails to assert special notability, and does not in-fact list any relaible sources, so I am closing this AfD as merge/redirect.  Jerry  talk ¤ count/logs 15:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Kinawa Middle School

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Middle schools have already been shown to be non-notable and should be redirected to school districts when appropriate. The author of this article refuses to abide by this consensus (even lauding his own self-appointed status as the editor of the article in his extremely long signature) and has reverted several times, so I decided to bring this here. JuJube (talk) 01:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC) Merge and redirect per precedent and the near policy of WP:SCHOOLS. Protect the redirect if necessary TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 03:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete or Redirect and protect. Middle schools aren't inherently notable, and this one seems to be run of the mill. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to Okemos Public Schools. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 01:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Okemos Public Schools, per TenPoundHammer. Nothing in this article really makes this school stand out from the zillions of other middle schools. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 03:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Okemos Public Schools. No assertion of notability; this is essentially an advertisement. Frickeg (talk) 03:28, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   —• Gene93k (talk) 04:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Evidently notable Colonel Warden (talk) 10:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing to indicate notability from the link you give! Paste (talk) 15:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Okemos Public Schools. Paste (talk) 11:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Okemos Public Schools. While there is news coverage, it appears to be trivial in nature.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Colonel Warden. The nominator may be pulling on his SPIDERman costume to make a POINT. There are other methods to deal with TENDentious and DISRUPTive editors; I don't believe nominating for deletion is a good method for resolving disputes. Double Blue  (Talk) 15:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment the issue is that per WP:SCHOOLS, these get merged. If someone keeps undoing the revert, the revert needs to be protected, not keep the article by default. Colonel Warden showed no evidence of notability, name mentions!notability TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 16:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Way to assume good faith there, cowboy. This nomination isn't to make a point, it is, as people have said, a case of someone trying to trump consensus with persistence.  As for your overwikilinking to be clever, it's cute and all.  Stop beating the straw man and focus. JuJube (talk) 22:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * AfD is not for enforcing consensus and correcting user behaviour. Double Blue  (Talk) 23:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Okemos Public Schools. CRGreathouse (t | c) 23:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge or Redirect as above - article is essentially unreferenced and makes no assertion of notability. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect - Okemos Public Schools. TerriersFan (talk) 20:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.