Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/King's Cathedral and Chapels


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:41, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

King's Cathedral and Chapels

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I didn't find any reliable resources... All of the reference based on self-Publishing website... Books citation that has provided in this article, it hasn't any ISBN code.. Please check that is it really notable or not? Thanks! --Limited Idea4me (talk) 05:06, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Limited Idea4me (talk) 05:06, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hawaii-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep - no deletion rationale provided. If you think something isn't notable, it's your job to check.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 11:00, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep as the nominator should attempt to check if the subject is notable prior to nominating for deletion. NemesisAT (talk) 11:39, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Aside from asking users to check or not, this article doesn't meet GNG as there are no independent sources. The church does exist but not notable enough for it to have it's own article. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:03, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Fucking comedy of errors if I ever saw one — A user who started editing eight days ago is an expert on deletion processes? I suppose this means by next week, they'll be ready to submit themselves to RFA!  To those arguing "speedy keep", the correct vote in this case would be "procedural keep".  As to the subject's notability, List of megachurches in the United States contains a sourced mention of this church having 20,000 members.  This is where the arguments of WP:BEFORE come into play, as churches with a tenth as many members typically receive pretty substantial coverage, even if it's mostly local.  Is anyone helping this new user with their choice of sourcing or are you predisposed to try to kill this? RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  20:14, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Generally, speedy close as procedural keep ; shorthanded as speedy keep. Otherwise, yes, you're right.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 01:53, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Apologies. — The thing is, the church is extremely notable in Hawaii, with even the State's Governor recognizing them and their work. The issue is that, as their Senior Pastor has joked about before during one of their extension campuses services, there hasn't been any notable news coverage of the church, at least prior to April 2021. The only organization doing any presentation of their history are them themselves. And again, I doubt that the church is "not notable" when international Pentecostal leaders such as Dr. George Wood (he wrote the foreword for this book), General Superintendent Doug Clay (AG USA; he preached at one of their conferences), and the late Dr. David Yonggi Cho (he was a friend in ministry to their Senior Pastor) having honored their church for their influence. But also notice that none of the links were to places like news organizations. There also is no other source except themselves that is giving an updated record on their statistics. That article citing a congregation of 20,000 congregants on the List of megachurches in the United States wiki page is outdated by three years. In one of their staff meetings, they've reported over 70,000 congregants. Other news organizations simply do not provide that much information. Much of the information about what's happening in their church globally comes from their own published material and personal testimony. But the church itself is notable and is known in Hawaii for its influence. Checed Domingcil (talk) 00:16, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep A church of 70,000 people (if true) is certainly notable, as a megachurch. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep: If the nominator would have done a google search to indicate notability. I found coverage from reliable sources such as the Associated Press and USA Today (It is the news story for Hawaii) .I also found coverage in local news outlets   . Although most of these sources are related to the church's COVID-19 outbreak, these should be enough to satisfy GNG.  Colin Bear  ( talk  - contributions) 21:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


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