Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/King's Own Band (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:42, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I've been requested to provide a more detailed close. Numerically, there's no overwhelming weight of !votes in either camp.  While the !deletes were in the majority, there were some sources presented which purport to establish notability, and were not disputed. The argument that this has been deleted from the Maltese wiki carries little weight, since each language wikipedia has its own policies and standards.  On the other side, the argument that this must be notable because of involvement from royalty doesn't carry much weight; we're looking for reliable secondary sources, not making our own value judgements about what's important.   In a nutshell, I don't see a convincing argument to delete, nor do I see a convincing argument why this must be kept.   -- RoySmith (talk) 00:29, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

King's Own Band
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I couldn't establish that this meets WP:NBAND, WP:GNG or any other aspect of notability. It seems it was deleted from Maltese Wikipedia, but I can't find the link (just comment by creator that it was already on Maltese WP). Last AfD attracted only one comment - hopefully we can now resolve this. Boleyn (talk) 20:04, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'll repeat what I said last time. Has the rare honour of being named by the King himself and having a banner presented by the Queen. Given the fact that brass bands are a major part of Maltese public life, I think this qualifies as sufficient notability. Needs a good copyedit though. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:09, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 16:10, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 16:10, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge (mention and redirect to Edward VIII's article, as its history and age would certainly make it notable and acceptable but my searches simply found nothing better than this and the article has existed enough time for it to be improved. Draft and userfy at best until a better acceptable is made. SwisterTwister   talk  05:27, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's Edward VII, and it's hardly relevant to his article. His connection is relevant to the band; the band's connection isn't relevant to him. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:04, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  20:38, 25 December 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment Can either of you back upyour claims of notability by citing which guidelines you think it meets? It is no way meets the 12 criteria in WP:NBAND. It doesn't meet WP:GNG. The nearest in WP:ORG would be where it looks at longevity: The organization’s longevity, size of membership, major achievements, prominent scandals, or other factors specific to the organization should be considered to the extent that these factors have been reported by independent sources. The lack of reporting in the sources we would need to establish notability negates this one. Boleyn (talk) 17:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 18:26, 1 January 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dat GuyTalkContribs 10:04, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per longevity and notable achievements (first band to perform the National Anthem). Usable references would seem to include http://www.clubmirror.com/?page=features&feature=86, https://books.google.com/books?id=ofZxsQiFsAgC&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=king%27s+own+band+malta, http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-832032 (not official CNN material, but...), and https://ec.europa.eu/malta/news/week-full-activities-celebrate-europe-day-malta_mt. I'm adding one to the article now that's particularly relevant. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment may well be notable in itself with better sourcing. Even if deleted some of this content could certainly be moved onto the military band article. Blythwood (talk) 07:49, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge any useful content into the king's article. If further, better sourcing can eventually be found (I looked a bit, and found nothing), then it can be recreated. However, I doubt that will happen, since as the nominator notes, the article has even been deleted from the Maltese WP. Hallward's Ghost (Kevin) (My talkpage) 06:27, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


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