Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/King (Tekken)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Withdrawn nomination and no support for deletion so I'm closing this one a bit early. Liz Read! Talk! 22:27, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

King (Tekken)

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Just like Articles for deletion/Anna Williams (Tekken), their popularity doesn't mean they are automatically notabale. Most of the new sources on google were about his routine trailer coverage for his inclusion in Tekken 8. The only usable source is this, and nothing else. Zero WP:SIGCOV. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 23:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 23:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 23:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge In its current form, the article is indisputably non-notable and there is a sensible merge target available. No sources seem to exist to establish his notability. A half dozen trivial mentions in lists do not result in a notable character. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:45, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The other characters in this series have their own articles. Abstrakt (talk) 15:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Most of those characters are being merged and deleted as well. Blitzfan51 (talk) 19:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Most of those have been merged into a list. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:44, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think some searching is in order for King. The problem is that "King" is word that can refer to various things. Even if you add the word "wrestling" (his fighting style) in searches, other things pop up. I heard you were going to be AFD'ing him eventually, and I've been looking for some sources on and off since. In the event I'm not able to save King from AFD, maybe I'll take the Sarah Bryant route, and restore the article should I find the coverage later on. MoonJet (talk) 21:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Rather than restoring articles and ignoring AfD results, please expand the character within the list, then start a split discussion when you believe it is too large to remain part of the list. People may very well agree to split it off, but we don't want it to go to the level of WP:IDHT regarding recreating articles against consensus. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ...You do realize you could've just added Tekken to your searches, right? Then again, it would still be hard considering there's apparently a whopping 4 Kings in this series. Anyway, so far I found a Den of Geek list and articles from The Loadout, Dot Esports and Mic in my WP:BEFORE search, so go crazy. PantheonRadiance (talk) 00:55, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I know. I've added that to searches and still get results of plenty of other things. Technically, there's only two Kings, King and Armor King. However, both King and Armor King have had two different people assuming the identity.
 * As for the sources, I don't think the ones you've provided will hold much weight for this AFD. In fact, one of the reasons this was AFD'ed in the first place was that GlatorNator couldn't find much, besides routine Tekken 8 announcements. I have been trying to look for more sources though. MoonJet (talk) 09:15, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, and Comment by searching King+Tekken+Lucha I found a paper by an Assistant Professor at the University of Arizona here that discusses his design and what elements of it signify, and a book reference here which while not able to be previewed in full does offer more info. King/Armor King definitely seem to have some degree of notability, and what I would suggest is to instead of merging this combine the characters into one article due to the degree of overlap in regards to reception.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Great finds. I'm not sure if King and Armor King should share an article though. They are clearly different characters, and there's already two Kings and two Armor Kings as it is. That said, I now think King is a keep due to the coverage found. MoonJet (talk) 05:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is an obvious no brainer because King is an old Tekken character that has been present in most of the games. Also the fact that his article is available in 10 different languages already. The user GlatorNator has promoted articles such as Mr. X (Resident Evil) to good article status even though that character's article is only available in the English language. It is obvious that King as a character is far more notable based on Wikipedia standards Rahammz (talk) 07:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, sometimes notability isn't guaranteed just because a character is recognizable and well known, and English wikipedia relies on third party reception discussing a character to demonstrate notability. You and I may know Mitsurugi from Soulcalibur for example, but he doesn't have an article because little to no actual discussion about him has occurred.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Then look what happen to Anna Williams and Paul Phoenix, those are popular. Anyway, I'm gonna Withdraw this nomination for KFM finding papers. Great job. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 13:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Being quick to withdraw is actually significantly worse than leaving it up. If for whatever reason the article isn't actually notable, a withdrawn AfD makes it far less likely to ever get questioned, since it creates the heavy assumption that it is. I still think there is some serious room for doubt here, as it seems most people's arguments are "well duh, it's a popular character".
 * Unless the article's notability is absolutely, positively, and clearly proven with major sources, withdraws should not happen. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It should be fine to withdraw in this case, the AfD efforts should be better used towards subjects that are clearly non-notable, instead of dragging this out.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. Alright. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 15:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Multiple articles here are about him that would help meet any SIGCOV concerns: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22King%22+%22Tekken%22+news&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixpvXsxvD-AhV-MlkFHeJPANcQ0pQJegQICRAB&biw=1920&bih=947&dpr=1 KatoKungLee (talk) 19:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)


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