Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/King Cold


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete and create a redirect to List of Dragon Ball characters.  Jerry  delusional ¤ kangaroo 04:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

King Cold

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This character does not establish notability independent of Dragon Ball through the inclusion of real world information from reliable, third party sources. Most of the information is made up of original research and unnecessary plot details. There is no current assertion for future improvement of the article, and this is too trivial to require any separate coverage. TTN (talk) 21:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Dragon Ball characters. He's all ready there, but I supposed some of the video game information might be relevant. Leave redirect to list, no stand alone article needed. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  21:44, 12 December 2008
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 * Delete and set up a protected redirect to the LoC. Eusebeus (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Why is the protect needed? —Quasirandom (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I imagine to counter repeated recreation of an article on a minor character. - Mgm|(talk) 23:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the list of characters and merge anything verifiable. - Mgm|(talk) 23:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge sourced information and redirect article to the LOC Inferno,   Lord of   Penguins  23:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete/Merge/Redirect: "Does not establish notability independet of Dragon Ball". -- Goodraise (talk) 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge - To List of Dragon Ball characters. &mdash; neuro(talk) 09:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 01:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep and discuss a merge on the talk page--personally, I'd support it, provided sufficient material were indeed merged. This is so reasonable that it could have been done without coming here at all. DGG (talk) 03:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment It was merged; in 2006 no less (see article history). A dynamic IP took it upon themselves to give the character an article again two years after the fact, so TTN brought the matter here. ~SnapperTo 03:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Further Comment It doesn't appear to have been a proper merge, but more of hiding the article under a redirect. There shouldn't be a copyright issue with deletion. Jay32183 (talk) 05:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * worse yet In this case, changing to a redirect was tried 3 times: in Oct 2006], again in Dec 2006, and yet again in May 2007, when it was incorrectly called a merge. (And all 3 times by TTN. the present nominator)  This sequence shows why a proper reasonable merge works better than a redirect--it satisfies whatever need there is for an article. DGG (talk) 01:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it wasn't a proper merge. The article as it looked in '06 seems remarkably similar to what was added to the target article. That article was then merged, and a year later that article was also merged (both of which were discussed [find them yourself]). To get back to King Cold, after the merge was first disputed TTN discussed it. Nobody agreed or disagreed so the redirect was reinstated (the content having been merged previously). Even if it was improperly handled at the time the later large scale Dragon Ball merge discussion most certainly would have agreed to merge it, and the merge of King Cold was subsequently upheld. That King Cold differs so much from what is presently at List of Dragon Ball characters is because of two reasons: List of Dragon Ball characters is the product of three different merges, and the current King Cold content was apparently written by the "restoring" IP . The article was at some point properly merged, even if that isn't immediately obvious. ~SnapperTo 04:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Upon further inspection the IP didn't write it; they ran it:Re Cold through a translator. Think of that what you will. ~SnapperTo 05:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * When I say "proper merge", I mean content was copied from one article to another. I wasn't actually reading the content itself, but looking for an addition to the target article that lined up with the creation of a redirect. Similar writing could just be the result of the same author writing both articles. It does not appear that content was copied just before or just after the redirection, suggesting that the redirection was not a proper merge. Jay32183 (talk) 08:26, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not establish notability through significant coverage of real world context in reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject. Jay32183 (talk) 10:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.