Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/King Youngblood


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify. Black Kite (talk) 22:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

King Youngblood

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Non-notable. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:48, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin. If this is deleted, please also delete the redirect Cameron Lavi-Jones as G8. Black Kite (talk) 11:23, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi - I would like to argue to keep. Based on this criterion for musical groups from this page: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1]


 * The following cited articles I believe meet this:
 * 1. Billboard (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8509848/gypsy-temple-today-video)
 * 2. Bellevue Reporter (https://www.bellevuereporter.com/news/local-band-rocks-students-to-vote/)
 * 3. Atwood Magazine (https://atwoodmagazine.com/gtpn-gypsy-temple-pick-a-number/)
 * 4. K5 News (https://www.king5.com/article/news/seattle-band-has-a-mental-health-message/281-bf7fd60f-bcf2-4b4e-b7f5-d8cd7d001793)
 * 5. Museum of Pop Culture (https://www.mopop.org/about-mopop/the-mopop-blog/posts/2018/february/misundvrstood-make-no-mistake/)
 * 6. LA Fashion Festival (https://lafashionfestival.com/2019-program/gypsy-temple)
 * 7. Pure Grain Audio (https://puregrainaudio.com/news/king-youngblood-emerge-out-of-gypsy-temple-armed-with-a-heavy-handed-music-video-premiere)
 * KaylynBuckley (talk) 04:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: The above editor is the creator of the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Move to draft. There are some half-decent references here, but I'm still doubtful whether the band meets the notability criteria. Moving to draft, improving and then submitting for review might result in constructive criticism from a wider set of more experienced contributors. Deb (talk) 08:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as a violation of the Terms of use. If not delete, the draftify, per Deb. Guy (help!) 11:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Guy! How does it violate the Terms of Use? Thanks! I'm certainly not opposed to moving it to drafts per Deb.KaylynBuckley (talk) 14:17, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Yeah, I don't get the violation of Terms of Use either. But the Billboard reference is the only decent source here so It probably would benefit from taking to draft and either finding better sources (rather than sources for the sake of sources) or wait until the band gets more coverage/more accomplishments, per WP:TOOSOON. ShelbyMarion (talk) 14:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I presume JzG is referring to paid editing. But I don't think we delete articles for a mere suspicion of it.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:20, 19 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Move to draft with a requirement for regular WP:AFC review before restoration to mainspace. BD2412  T 14:31, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Move to draft per BD2412. The Billboard reference is good.  The K5 news is of debatable merit for establishing notability, it is a major news player in the Pacific Northwest, but it could also be argued it is only local.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment from nominator - I am fine with draftifying instead of deleting. I also agree with Shelby Marion that the Billboard ref is the only real solid one, and even that comes in the context of the band's releasing a song through that magazine, so it has a promotional aspect to it as well.  All the announcements of the band playing events are essentially trivial, and other sources look to be WP:SPS with no reputation for fact-checking and error correction. This band may well break out some day, at which time the article can be reinforced with true RS's and moved to mainspace through AfC. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Bulleted list item Thanks everyone and thank you Beyond My Ken for the dialogue about this! I would appreciate help in editing whether it's in the current article or in draft form.


 * I'm still looking at a few other sources as I think there might be some additional articles out there that I've missed. What are thoughts on their coverage in Alternative Press mag? https://www.altpress.com/features/gypsy-temple-king-youngblood-stream/KaylynBuckley (talk) 00:49, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Updating with a couple more sources here as well as I've done a bit more research on secondary sources. :) 1. There is the Alternative Press Mag link listed above. 2. National Alliance on Mental Health Seattle, review of a concert: https://namiseattle.org/2019/05/20/gypsy-temple-king-youngblood-nami-benefit-concert-review/
 * Unsure if that's helpful in any of this but want to include sources as I'm finding them! Thanks again for all your help!KaylynBuckley (talk) 23:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no policy against improving an article while it is under discussion at AfD. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you! Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)KaylynBuckley (talk) 00:10, 21 May 2020 (UTC)


 * This article is fully factually correct please do not delete.  National press has written about this band and the writers of this article researched each item carefully. Thank you Lara Lavi  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.1.149 (talk) 00:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * According to the band's website, Lara Lavi is the band's manager, so has a serious WP:COI in regard to this article. The !vote should not be counted. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:31, 25 May 2020 (UTC)


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