Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingdom of Belgium in exile (1914–18)


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The result was   redirect to Belgium in World War I. Black Kite (talk) 18:20, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of Belgium in exile (1914–18)

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This page addresses a non-existent concept. The Belgian government and army continued to fight during WWI from the French coast, but it could hardly be said that the entire Kingdom of Belgium was in exile. They were also in Belgium (albeit the north-west corner) which further messes with the "in exile" part. In my view, the page should be replaced by something like "Belgian government in exile (World War I)" or "De Broqueville government in exile" (just the government) which is the actual substance of the area under discussion, rather than believing that this requires some sort of former-country style article, complete with infobox. See Belgian government in exile for this solution in use during World War II. Anything not within that topic could easily be integrated into the Belgium in World War I main article.

The article could, of course, be renamed but the content is totally unreferenced and to be honest wouldn't add anything.Brigade Piron (talk) 11:44, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete -- It is factually incorrect, since not quite all of Belgium was conquered. We have articles on British mninistriesm so that I do not see why we should not have one on De Broqueville government, but it would not be this article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:39, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:43, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:13, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Redirect Belgium in World War I. Old Keep rationale: According to this source, the Belgium government was exiled to Havre, France. According to this source, "The Belgian Government on October 13 withdrew to Le Havre, in France, where it was assured full slovereign rights and the complete exercise of its authority and governmental duties." This source says "The government-in-exile in Le Havre". This source says "During the war, the Belgian government sat at Le Havre, France, while King Albert I, as commander in chief of the army, remained with his troops.."


 * It seems the government was in exile in Le Havre France, but King Albert remained on Belgium soil to command the troops. The concept of a Belgium monarchy in exile seems supported by the sources, but complicated by the fact Albert himself remained in Belgium in command of troops. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 01:31, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, support rename to Belgian government in exile (World War I) (or whatever) since this seems to be more accurate, per nom. --Green Cardamom (talk) 05:22, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * But, apart from the infobox which would have to be ditched (almost identical to Kingdom of Belgium as you'd expect), what about the three lines of text makes it so valuable? A rename with the current page would be a joke; the current article does not add anything. The Belgian government was in Le Havre (which isn't that far from Belgium) but nothing else was - the army etc. was still in the Yser pocket on Belgian soil. In my mind, that makes a rename inevitable, but there's no content of use. I might create a start-class article for the government (I did the WW2 one to GA) but it could not use anything from there.Brigade Piron (talk) 07:33, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I see your point about lack of content, though conceptually this topic is a valid one. If you want to redirect it after the AfD I would not care. The article creator was exiled from Wikipedia long ago and I don't think anyone else has taken any interest in the article. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 16:41, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I changed !vote to Redirect (effective Delete) to try and create some clear consensus since my position above ended up either keep or redirect. Where exactly it redirects can always be changed as needed later. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 10:45, 5 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 04:19, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Keep but rename - Yes, normal expression would be "Belgian government in exile" or "Belgian royal house in exile"
 * But there is no content there which would actually be used in an article of that title! Brigade Piron (talk) 07:57, 2 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:31, 5 October 2013 (UTC)




 * Merge anything of value (not much) Redirect to Belgium in World War I per the discussion above. No need to fork those four lines out. There's a sense of deja vu to this. Stalwart 111  09:29, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
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