Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingdom of Ce


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The result was keep. Per the improvements. (non-admin closure)  Ya  sh  !   01:50, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Kingdom of Ce

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I think this is a hoax because none of the cited sources mention the Kingdom of Ce, nor does Kingdom of CE show up in a Google search (the only results I'm seeing when searching with quotation marks are Wikipedia mirrors or sources that appear to have got their information from Wikipedia, and without quote marks, Wikipedia is the only relevant source that comes up). Also, there was only one author who added information rather than formatting, rewording, linking to other pages, adding categories, stub sorting, adding pictures, or, of course, adding maintence tags. I also find it hard to believe that a kingdom this minor would last 900 years.--Proud User (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: The page has expanded since being nominated for deletion. The version of the page that appeared when the article was nominated can be seen here.--Proud User (talk) 18:38, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:29, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:29, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Speedy Keep - The sources do mention it, but the article could use more sources and rewriting... How about this or this? It is a real kingdom or tribe, and I remember hearing about it. Keep in mind that San Marino has survived for over 1700 years. Liechtenstein is a true survivor too. Ceosad (talk) 16:13, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Not a hoax: existence in legend (if not in actual history) is corroborated by this source, a monograph published by CUP. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 16:42, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I added the references I found, and their contents to the article. Ceosad (talk) 16:45, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per Ceosad. --Deskford (talk) 16:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources added by Ceosad and others. It appears to have been an actual Pict entity. --Oakshade (talk) 01:51, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep Ce was definitely real tribal polity in early medieval/iron age Scotland, and there is no question that it is notable enough for an article (though the current name is not perfect). Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 02:20, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 'Keep: Ce is a real legendary tribe, so I don't see the point in deleting the article. It may be corrected by deleting information that is self-published or false, but definitely not deleted. Definitely Keep. DominikWSP (talk) 20:14, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


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