Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingdom of Kuku


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The result was Withdrawn and stubified. Well, turns out, there is at least one proper source. I've trimmed what was not based on proper sources, and what is left is effectively a one sentence stub, but there is room for improvement with the identified chapter. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:32, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Kingdom of Kuku

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This looks like an elaborate fabrication, or at least more like folk legend than actual history. I simply cannot find anything about this that isn't either A) a Wikipedia mirror or B) Kabyle independentist blogs (who don't provide much detail, and are not reliable sources in any case). A previous version of the article has some reliable sources, but on further inspection, these appear to be unrelated and do not mention the topic by name (or even the content they were supposed to support), and do not inspire confidence. Delete as failing WP:V, at the very least. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep there is extensive coverage of it in French sources. Mccapra (talk) 22:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Some of these French sources are very old. The one that was already in the article, Roberts 2014 (in English), doesn't mention the "Kingdom" but only the "lords of Koukou"... I think it would actually be better to write a new article, based on these sources, than to stick with whatever is the current one: draftifying until a version which complies with WP:V can be made could be an option. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  22:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The first english language source cited in the article has an entire chapter (Chapter 6, starting on page 151) devoted to this topic. Roberts (2014) ("The 'kingdom' of Koukou that was established by the Ath l-Qadi dynasty and lasted for over a century (c 1515-1632 or 1638 CE) ...."). I am thus confused about OP's statement about inability to find any RS sources given that I.B. Tauris was a reputable publisher as far as I know, but then I am easily confused. 68.189.242.116 (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I couldn't see that on my version of google's preview :( (and the chapter title is indeed, as I was saying, about the "lords of Koukou". Curiously, "Kingdom" is also put between marks, as one would usually do when implying doubt about something) This source should probably be used to write a new article, which is not based on the unsourced/fake sourced fabrications of the former. And if the chapter starts on page 151 (I've now managed to get the first page of it), then the given page number, 165, is yet another fabrication, because that single sentence of information can indeed be found on page 151. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:26, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


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