Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kingdom of North Sudan


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The result was Exile to Lower Slobbovia. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Kingdom of North Sudan

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I deleted this once before as a hoax. It's not a hoax based on the sources. It's a piece of garbage that doesn't bring credit to this project. You can think of it as failing notability guidelines if that makes you happier, but the real question is how low can we sink? Let the argument begin. Bbb23 (talk) 21:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, I must have caught Bbb on an off-day, a day with no bacon or free-range eggs for breakfast. This is something, a little stunt, which made the newspapers. A little bit, for a little while. If Disney makes a movie based on the story of the guy who just up and planted a flag there that's fine, but that doesn't add reality to the nationhood claim. These kinds of things apparently get notable via decent, in-depth coverage, which we don't have here--we just have a colonialist ca. 2015 with a homemade flag, and a few chatty news articles of the Man Bites Dog variety. Besides (come to think of it), it's a claim. There is no micronation, there certainly is not a geographical place with automatic notability, since it's not recognized by anyone of importance. Delete. Drmies (talk) 22:05, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That last bit you added is the core of my reasoning for deleting the article as a hoax. This is no such thing as the kingdom of north sudan. It was made up by a fellow who then got some publicity for doing it. I have just declared my backyard as the kingdom of Bbb23 with me as king. I'm going to go out now and collect taxes and find some serfs.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:22, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. GabeIglesia (talk) 03:21, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Came via Africa links, so unaffiliated editor. As per my typical response to contemporary AfD's, I go to LexisNexis and look at everything on the topic. Lexis has 41 hits (one is a false positive, so only really 40). Of those 25 are from July 2014 and all are as described by Bbb23 (without sufficient coverage). Coverage since then is either referring to the one event, which fails to pass WP:1E or it has substance related to other issues: the Terra nullius concept in international law, the Disney green lit project, other micronations like Liberland with the kingdom only mentioned in passing, or Bir Tawil. This (cool) guardian article is the most substantive hit and mostly just uses the flag planting as a hook to set up a larger conversation about the area (and by the way completely debunks any notability claim of the kingdom in doing so--"Heaton was not the first well-intentioned, starry-eyed eccentric to travel all the way to Bir Tawil and plant a flag. Someone else got there first, and that someone was me"). Hence: Coverage is dependent on a single event, is not substantive, and any actual substance in the articles is not about the Kingdom but other issues. The coverage on the Bir Tawil page is sufficient and this article should be deleted. Not notable. If Disney makes a film, then the film should have a page but even that wouldn't make this notable. I think this quote from a Washington Post article in 2014 makes the hoax clear: "Experts say that simply planting a flag in the sand isn't how countries are born these days, even if land sits apparently unclaimed. Heaton is not a state, nor is he acting on behalf of any nation. And he is not occupying the land, instead living more than 6,600 miles away in southwestern Virginia." AbstractIllusions (talk) 11:02, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete The topic is covered sufficiently here. The rest is non-notable, per WP:1E. While 1E is about BLP's, it applies here because everything in the article stems from Heaton's activity in planting the flag and the brief burst of coverage that his flag-planting elicited.David in DC (talk) 18:59, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


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