Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kings (drinking game) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;   &spades;  03:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Kings (drinking game)
One of the unsourced, and at this time externally unverifiable drinking game articles listed in a mass deletion earlier today (Articles for deletion/Circle of Death (drinking game)) Per the closing statement of this aborted mass-nomination, this is an individual relist of the article. -- Saberwyn 07:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Adding a request for verifiable sources to this article page would be a good way to start this process.  Not having verification isn't an automatic deletion criterion, being unverifiable is - an important distinction.  Before nominating an article for deletion, shouldn't the nominator at least research the article themselves, adding the sources if possible?  I haven't tackled notability as this is not the reason given for nomination, but all drinking game are cultural memes that have lasted in many cases for centuries and appear in various places in popular literature etc. Vizjim 11:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, listed in the Best Drinking Games Book Ever, and with 250+ Amazon.com drinking game books listed... --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 13:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I am a college student (of age, no less!), but I do not drink. With that said, all of my friends at my school play Kings. When I visit friends at other schools, their friends play Kings. When I went to parties in high school (which was quite rare), everyone played Kings. For those without the coordination for Beer Pong, Kings is the game of choice; based on popularity alone, if any drinking game deserves an article on WP, it's this one. (Note: I know this isn't the greatest rationale for voting on an AfD, but that's just how I roll.) -- Kicking222 16:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep per Vizjim, andbadlydrawnjeff, among others. Fluit 18:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:NOT among things, a collection of instruction manuals. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. Talking about a game without talking about the rules is pointless. If the article delves too much into the rules, then a cleanup tag is appropriate. Fluit 22:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So fix it? --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 00:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm just responding to the "share your thoughts on the matter" portion of the AfD template. But I'll add a cleanup tag, for what it's worth. Fluit 05:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. I presume that in referring to WP:NOT you are specifically talking about "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information", point 8?  This says, I quote - Instruction manuals - while Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, Wikipedia articles should not include instruction - advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes.  An article on this drinking game has the obvious potential to contain a) history and evolution of the game, b) its cultural significance, c) appearances in books, on TV shows, in films etc, and thus is more than simply a collection of rules (it doesn't matter if these things are not there or haven't been completed: the fact is, they could be inserted).  However, the rules need to be included as otherwise it would be impossible to give a clear idea of the game - and I presume you are not arguing that the entries for Chess and Soccer should be deleted? Vizjim 10:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * KEEP Excellent reference, would be shame if deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.64.23.32 (talk • contribs)
 * Keep There probably are non-notable drinking games on Wikipedia but you seem to be picking or the notable ones. Again Google confirms the noteworthiness of this drinking game. Cedars 10:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Wikipedia is not paper; this is a sub page of the drinking game article.  Amen, Cedars! JeffBurdges 15:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * keep please really you must be kidding here Yuckfoo 01:22, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * strong keep plus cleanup and a slight wikify just read my vote comment on Articles for deletion/Circle of Death (drinking game) (relist nomination). Dspserpico 03:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.