Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kings And Comrades


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 10:37, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Kings And Comrades

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Reference #1: Authorless "JamBase" article, looks like it is probably a kind of press release Reference #2: LastFM, "Artist descriptions on Last.fm are editable by everyone."— band bio probably written by one of its members Reference #3: ReverbNation, only a track listing and short self-written bio Reference #4: Jambase again, here the band is mentioned only trivially in a lineup with a lot of other bands.

None of these references meet the criteria of being non-trivial, independent, reliable sources. If this is the best that the author(s) can come up with, then this band, which has no record label, fails to meet the guidelines at WP:NBAND as well as the requirements of WP:GNG. Also likely to apply here: WP:GARAGE. KDS 4444 Talk  14:03, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Musa  Talk  14:38, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Musa  Talk  14:40, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Have no idea where to comment this, since I'm European and not used to the English lang. version of Wikipedia and all boxes and places to discuss you use. I want to state following.


 * 1) I, who created the article on Wikipedia about Kings and Comrades, am not a band member, have no connections to them and has never met them. I have never been to America. I was listening to them on Spotify and wanted to read about them and could hardly find anything on Internet. The little I found, I cleaned from advertising and band promotion, and what's left is only facts about the band and therefore an encyclopedic text. It's free from band promotion. Many articles about other bands on Wikipedia sounds like homages and adorations, but not this article.
 * 2) Sanmare, who wrote the biography about Kings and Comrades on LastFM, has the same status: doesn't know the band, is not American, has never met or talked to any band members. He is from Sweden, a country quite far away from USA and Philadelphia, where the Kings and Comrades are based. Can't this be proved by checking the IP or something? I'm no computer expert.
 * 3) Yes, the sources are poor and I wish there where better ones, and better sources may show up in the future. Most info is on the band's own Facebook page, and that source has been avoided. I have tried to only leave the facts about the band. Article is encyclopedic and not promotion. The band exists, the band has the named members and has made the mentioned albums and songs, they can be played on Spotify, YouTube and other places, and the band participated in the mentioned concerts. So the article should not be erased from Wikipedia. Have a great day, --Caspiax 10:36, 12 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caspiax (talk • contribs)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - There's no obviously better improvement. SwisterTwister   talk  20:24, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:50, 19 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:09, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 02:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Searches of the usual types produced some reviews in sources that are neither on WikiProject Albums/Sources recommended sources list nor on their sources to avoid list. Like JamBase and ReverbNation, however, they do not exhibit the characteristics of reliable sources. Arguably the best of the bunch is the review in The Pier, which, for example is by a recent marketing graduate who works for a music venue and for Skunk Records and writes that he "wrote reviews and got into shows for free, a perfect trade-off." Further searches of the Philadelphia papers, reggaereport.com, and www.roots-archives.com turned up nothing more than gig listings. Therefore does not meet WP:BAND. Worldbruce (talk) 05:31, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


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