Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kings Food Markets


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 04:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Kings Food Markets

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The only significant coverage on this chain is related to closures of it's stores. ~RAM (talk) 10:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. ~RAM (talk) 10:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. ~RAM (talk) 10:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Engr.  Smitty   Werben 11:13, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The nomination does not give a reason to delete. The chain has been merged or taken over by a variety of other notable retailers and so there are obvious alternatives to deletion.  Insofar as the chain has a complex history, it seems best to keep the page distinct for clarity. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:19, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: I added articles on the chain's private label and unusual COVID-19 mask policy. — Toughpigs (talk) 19:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Wiki is not a Yellow Page to have every small market. I just don't see enough coverage on this to justify a page for it, plus the fact that it went bankrupt and Albertsons bought it, may mean that the name may change and this would be irrelevant. Expertwikiguy (talk) 00:31, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks, I added a comment with additional reasoning. If the only significant coverage is of the closure, then I would argue that does not make it notable. ~RAM (talk) 05:31, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Just wanted to add some additional reasoning behind my AfD, since that seems to be why people don't agree.I suggested it because as I noted, the only significant coverage of the chain from reliable sources is regarding the closures of their stores. I would argue if something is not notable during it's existence, then it is certainly not notable during it's closure, absent anything else - which there is not. ~RAM (talk) 05:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with your assessment, that is why I also voted DELETE. Expertwikiguy (talk) 09:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * An internet search will naturally tend to put the most recent news at the top and, for this subject, that news is of their latest downturn -- like many other retail businesses in 2020. But the chain was founded before the Internet and so its growth and success will not be so prominent on the Internet.  But if you conduct a thorough search, rather than a superficial one, then one can find a detailed company history and archive at Rutgers.  And, here's an article in the NYT, from 1987, before they started their online edition.  See WP:NEXIST and WP:OFFLINE. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:19, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The strong sources provided by Toughpigs and Andrew Davidson.  This entry is over 2,000 words long. From https://www.library.hbs.edu/Find/Databases/International-Directory-of-Company-Histories, the International Directory of Company Histories contains "Comprehensive histories of 8,500 of the world's largest and most influential companies." The entry's summary notes: "Kings Food Markets Inc. operates 25 upscale supermarkets in the New York City metropolitan area, of which 23 are located in New Jersey and single units in New York and Connecticut. Kings offers gourmet meats, fresh seafood, a wide variety of world cheeses and deli meats, organic and locally grown produce, artisan baked goods, and an extensive floral department. Kings is known for its selection of prepared foods that includes more than 20 entrées; 11 green salads; a dozen sandwiches; and a wide range of deli salads, sides, and soups. Kings also operates a catering division. The Short Hills, New Jersey, store maintains a cooking studio, a concept pioneered by Kings well before other grocers. Kings is majority-owned by New York investment firm Angelo, Gordon & Company." The entry has a section titled "Family Business Origins". Here is the first paragraph of the section: "Kings Food Markets was founded by the Bildner family, who immigrated to the United States in the 1800s from Eastern Europe in what was then part of the AustroHungarian Empire. The family's involvement in food retailing began when brothers of the second generation acquired a grocery store in Brooklyn in 1917. The oldest brother, Ben Bildner, left to become a supervisor for the A&P chain, and by 1930 he had saved enough money to open a supermarket, a novel concept at the time, in Maspeth, Long Island. Traditionally, grocers waited on customers individually, but the self-service format introduced by the Piggly Wiggly chain would revolutionize the industry. Ben Bildner was one of the first grocers in the country to make the transition." The entry has sections titled "Family Business Origins" (303 words), "World War II Limitations" (236 words), "Allen Bildner Joins Kings: 1948" (528 words), "Transition to Upscale Grocery Begins: 1978" (272 words), "On the Block: 1999" (240 words), and "Change in Leadership: 2010" (249 words). There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Kings Food Markets to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 12:13, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep based on the reliable and verifiable sources identified about the company. Alansohn (talk) 20:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 *  Keep per sources presented above, mainly by Toughpigs and Cunard, the entry in the International Directory of Company Histories is particularly indicative of notability. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:48, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


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