Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kirby Griffin (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. And I will be restoring Kirby Griffin (American football) to this title. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 05:38, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Kirby Griffin
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I deleted a very similar article a few days ago, following the deletion discussion here, which determined that the subject was not notable. This new article has a few new sentences and sources, so I don't think that G4 would be appropriate, but I note that none of the new sources give significant coverage of the subject - they have pictures of her, but no prose about her. Still no evidence that GNG or NMODEL is met. Girth Summit  (blether) 15:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Girth Summit  (blether)  15:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete I don't see any non-trivial coverage whatsoever, other than confirmation that she is a model who has appeared in Sports Illustrated; to my knowledge, that alone doesn't qualify. The Forbes article alluded to in the article has the wrong link, but one with a similar title that I did find does not mention her. In summary, the criteria set forth at WP:BIO are not met. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 23:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep It is well established any one of the accomplishments by Kirby Griffin has met the threshold of having a wiki page like her counter parts from being an actress in House, being the only real life Black Barbie recognized by Mattel, an official Playboy Miss September, official annual S.I. swimsuit model and more. Let's just take one example: How is having a page dedicated to Playmate of the month valid and various wiki pages created for these playmates valid but Kirby Griffin is singled out as invalid? Despite having more accolades than many of the wiki pages of other Playmates of the month? Are you going to go back to 1953 and start wiping out all the wiki of each of these winners? Wikkot
 * This model's accomplishments need acknowledgment from reliable sources that are both independent of the model and independent of her employers. The article's references don't meet that standard.  Playmates of the Month used to be considered notable automatically, but that is no longer true.  Non-notable Playmate articles are still being redirected their appropriate Playmate list articles.  The list for this article is List of Playboy Playmates of 2018. • Gene93k (talk) 03:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd be comfortable with a 'delete then redirect' to List of Playboy Playmates of 2018. Girth Summit  (blether)  11:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * On closer examination, delete outright and don't redirect to list.  Kirby Griffin (American football) originally held this title and should be moved back. See my !vote for a more detailed rationale. • Gene93k (talk) 23:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Good point - I'd forgotten there was another article about a subject of that name, a redirect wouldn't be appropriate. Girth Summit  (blether)  08:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, this article fails WP:GNG, as it is sourced entirely to primary sources and one press release and even that is mostly passing mentions. The article also fails WP:ENTERTAINER, as Griffin has not starred in two or more notable productions. Devonian Wombat (talk) 00:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Still fails WP:NMODEL and WP:GNG Sulfurboy (talk) 00:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can see no evidence of notability here as per Devonian Wombat. Fails WP:GNG.  Velella  Velella Talk 09:26, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Basic notability guidelines at WP:ANYBIO are clearly not met, lacking as the article does any indication of the topic having received broad coverage in third-party, independent reliable sources. And a WP:BEFORE search indicates a further dearth of such in both the relevant literature and news outlets. ——  SN  54129  09:34, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:50, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete for failing WP:BASIC and WP:ENTERTAINER. In addition to my comments above about the article's lack of independent references, WP:BEFORE searches yield trivial mentions such as photo captions.  Please note that Kirby Griffin (American football) was moved and dabbed to make way for this "notable fashion model."  I propose moving back rather than redirecting "Kirby Griffin" to a list of Playboy Playmates.  The football player is the only notable Kirby Griffin in Wikipedia, and a hat note to a Playboy topic is more trouble than it's worth. • Gene93k (talk) 22:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


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