Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KiriKiri


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Visual novel. (non-admin closure) SST flyer 03:03, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

KiriKiri

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Article topic lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) We tried merging it to a list of visual novel engines, but there weren't enough sources on the engines as a concept. Perhaps the visual novel article could house a redirect. czar 05:38, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  czar  05:39, 23 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment I added a Visual_novel section to the visual novel article and made a subsection about KiriKiri there. --Mr. Magoo (talk) 15:21, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:32, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:32, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep I added more content and several more references (including at least three significant ones, although one is a Bachelor's thesis in Finnish). 50.53.1.33 (talk) 18:19, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The sources added are either passing mentions, unreliable sources, or primary sources. We need secondary sources that discuss the topic in detail—otherwise we're best off redirecting to the section where Mr. Magoo has already mentioned the engine. czar  03:00, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am curious how you rate the "History and Comparative Study of Modern Game Engines" in International Journal of Advanced Computer and Mathematical Sciences (true it mentions all visual novel engines in passing but takes the space to call out the name of a few including Kirikiri) and Janne Romppanen's Bachelor's thesis paper as unreliable and or primary. The thesis has an entire section dedicated to Kirikiri; the only downside is that is it written in Finnish of course. Since Kirikiri Japanese software is a subject covered mostly in Japanese I recommend you work on getting consensus to have the Japanese Wikipedia article removed before getting the English article removed as the English article is bound to lag behind the Japanese content (you will likely get a better response there too). 50.53.1.33 (talk) 21:37, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This is the English Wikipedia, we're independent from the Japanese one. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:42, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


 *  Delete or redirect – The standard for notability on Wikipedia is significant coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources. There isn't enough such coverage available for a standalone article at this time. Visual novel is a potential redirect target (and thanks to Mr. Magoo for expanding that subsection), but a Google search appears to indicate that Kirikiri Maximum Security Prison in Nigeria might be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here. Mz7 (talk) 04:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe for Kirikiri but KiriKiri (with CamelCase) clearly denotes the engine, no? czar  11:02, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Mmm, perhaps. In that case, redirect KiriKiri to Visual_novel and retarget Kirikiri to Kirikiri Maximum Security Prison. Mz7 (talk) 19:37, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am curious why you think Kirikiri Maximum Security Prison is more notable than say Kirikiri Station, Kirikiri language, Kirikiri tanker explosion, etc. I recommend Kirikiri be converted to a disambigution page rather than a redirect (regardless of whether KiriKiri the visual novel engine is deleted or not). 50.53.1.33 (talk) 21:47, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Simply because I perceived there to be more sources about the prison than other topics in my searches, especially on Google News. Admittedly, I did not even realize that those other topics existed, so now that you bring them up, I can see the need for a disambiguation page too. Mz7 (talk) 19:37, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Does not meet WP:GNG. Not enough reliable sources, and one bachelor's thesis is not enough to pass WP:GNG. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:42, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Visual novel - Having played a few (mostly doujin) games made with the engine, it's kind of weird for me to !vote against keeping the article. However, while there are some sources in English, these aren't enough to establish notability, while Japanese coverage is even more lacking. However, the engine appears to be relatively well-known among VN developers and fans, and thus appear to be a plausible search term, so a redirect wouldn't hurt. As there appears to be several things called "Kirikiri", Kirikiri could be converted into a disambugation page. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:07, 14 April 2016 (UTC)


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