Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kirk Sutherland


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep under criterion #1: no editor, including the nominator, recommends deletion of the articles. Mergers are a separate process. (Secondarily, the nominator has been blocked for sockpuppetry.) —C.Fred (talk) 16:36, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Kirk Sutherland
AfDs for this article: 
 * Added Note: A regular search of any of these turns up very little besides episode guides and ITV (the network the show is on). -- Dodgechris (talk | contribs) 11:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The full list of characters I'm nominating:


 * Kirk Sutherland -- 1 hit on Google, Nearly 8 years on show, high notability asserted, stub class information.
 * Molly Compton -- 0 hits on Google, 3 years on show, high notability asserted, deletion has been considered, currently in storyline.
 * Ryan Connor -- nearly 2 years on show, stub class, small notability asserted, appears on a more recurring basis.
 * Julie Carp -- less than 1 year on show, no notability asserted, appears on a recurring basis.
 * Pam Hobsworth -- Only just joined, small notability asserted, currently appearing.
 * Kelly Crabtree -- 2 hits on Google, 4 years on show, small notability asserted, occasionally appears.
 * Vernon Tomlin -- 2 hits on Google, notability asserted, reguarly appears, leaving show soon.
 * Chesney Battersby-Brown -- 1 hit on Google, 5 years on show, not currently in storyline.
 * Dev Alahan -- 1 hit on Google, long time on show, only ever had 1 real storyline, currently appaers.
 * Carla Connor -- 3 hits on Google, over 1 year on show, needs cititions for verification, small notability, has had numerous storylines.
 * Becky Granger -- 2 hits on Google, 2 years on show, notability asserted, background character in a current storyline.
 * Tina McIntyre -- 3 hits on Google, less than year on show, high notability asserted.
 * Harry Mason -- 2 hits on Google, less than year on show, average notability asserted, leving show soon.
 * Dan Mason -- 2 hits on Google, less than year on show, average notability asserted, leaving show soon.


 * Merge all of them into the same one article.Dodgechris (talk) 12:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge Pam Hobsworth, Julie Carp and Ryan Connor to List of recurring and minor Coronation Street characters, keep Kirk Sutherland and Molly Compton. While the state of the latter two article does not currently reflect it, both are highly notable characters, and the articles could easily be improved. I would also query why this is the second time this week you have nominated articles for deletion as non-notable, despite having created them yourself only a few days previously. List of recurring and minor Coronation Street characters exists specifically for characters like Pam Hobsworth and Julie Carp - something which, as a heavy contributor to that page, you are well aware. Frickative  11:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

What of Kelly Crabtree, Vernon Tomlin, Chesney Battersby-Brown, Dev Alahan, Carla Connor, Becky Granger, Tina McIntyre, Harry Mason and Dan Mason? -- Dodgechris (talk)

I have had no choice but to renominate Carla Connor - she has previously been nominated in 2007, but the article was kept -- Dodgechris (talk)

I am still concerned about Kirk and Molly having their own page -- Dodgechris (talk)


 * Comment - could you choose which articles you're nominating, and finalise your list? You've been nominating, un-nominating and re-nominating different articles for the past five hours, making it very hard to actually put forth an opinion. Frickative  15:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   — Frickative  16:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge them all in the appropriate places, assuming none of them is actually a major character. If it is being asserted that some of them are, then this afd must be split and relisted. DGG (talk) 09:12, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

What shall i do with the rest of the characters on the deletion list? -- Dodgechris (talk)


 * CommentI dont see the point in this AFD. If the nominator wanted to merge them, then why couldnt he have discussed on the List of recurring and minor Coronation Street characters talk page? Like he has been doing with every other character!  GG Moan 17:58, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Keep as a trainwreck. It's quite clear that the nominator hasn't quite decided what should happen to each individual article. Those that stand on its own should not be nominated. Those that should be merged to a list of characters can be dealt with outside of AFD. And if there are any left at the end of the activity, then they can be nominated for AFD then. -- Whpq (talk) 19:26, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Kirk Sutherland, Molly Compton, Kelly Crabtree, Vernon Tomlin, Chesney Battersby-Brown, Dev Alahan, Carla Connor, Becky Granger, Tina McIntyre, and Dan Mason and Merge Pam Hobsworth, Julie Carp and Ryan Connor to List of recurring and minor Coronation Street characters.Raintheone (talk) 19:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Kirk Sutherland, Molly Compton, Ryan Connor, Vernon Tomlin, Chesney Battersby-Brown, Dev Alahan, Carla Connor, Becky Granger, Tina McIntyre, and Dan Mason and Merge Pam Hobsworth, Julie Carp and Kelly Crabtree to List of recurring and minor Coronation Street characters. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 01:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep. Since merging is not deleting, the nominator is effectively not asking for deletion. There are separate tags and procedures for merges. I'm on lunch break and don't have time to fully unwind the nominations, or I would close it myself. —C.Fred (talk) 17:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Ryan Connor, Vernon Tomlin, Dev Alahan, Carla Connor, Becky Granger, Tina McIntyre, Harry Mason and Dan Mason
 * Merge Kirk Sutherland, Molly Compton, Julie Carp, Pam Hobsworth, Kelly Crabtree and Chesney Battersby-Brown -- King Sausauges (talk contribs) 17:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Ryan Connor, Kirk Sutherland, Kelly Crabtree, Vernon Tomlin, Dev Alahan, Carla Connor, Becky Granger, Tina McIntyre, Harry Mason and Dan Mason and Merge Molly Compton, Julie Carp, Pam Hobsworth and Chesney Battersby-Brown.  — Vintage-master  16:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.