Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kirsten Fehrs


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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Tigraan Click here to contact me 09:05, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Kirsten Fehrs

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All sources I found (including German ones) are WP:ROUTINE annoucements following her election. I do not think being a bishop confers automatic notability. There might be a case via WP:AUTHOR, but I could not find relevant sources with my competence in German. Tigraan Click here to contact me 15:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have unsuccessfully tried to find notability guidelines on religious leaders; only found some on Catholic church leaders. Church positions of different denominations are difficult to compare, but I would say that Kirsten Fehrs' position in one of the large mainstream churches of Germany most certainly is comparable to that of a a diocesan bishop.
 * I don't know if other language Wikipedias are considered to be an indication of notability, but the German Wikipedia has quite a comprehensive article. --84.190.84.207 (talk) 16:00, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep, I was surprised there is nothing religion-specific in WP:BIO (well, there is WP:POLITICIAN and WP:ENTERTAINER, I guess) . From my experience of other topics, notability rules at de-wk are weaker than on en. I would indeed have expected coverage for a high-ranking clergy member, but found none. Tigraan Click here to contact me 16:23, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You must be kidding. :-) The notability rules on de-wk weaker than here? My impression is that it's just the opposite!
 * But that's beside the point here. You call her a "high-ranking clergy member", and maybe that's the point for notability: She was one of the two highest ranking clergy in the Nordelbische Evangelisch-Lutherische Kirche until its merger in 2012, and she now is one of the three bishops of the Evangelisch-Lutherische Kirche in Norddeutschland with Gerhard Ulrich as its head bishop. (BTW, I am surprised that en-wk does not have an article on him yet, him also being the leading bishop of the VELKD.)
 * Considering that this is a church body with more than 2 million members, it's not like we are talking about some minor insignificant group here. --84.190.84.207 (talk) 17:22, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that in general the German Wikipedia is stricter than the English about what articles can be kept, but their guidelines are qualitatively different, in that they concentrate more on intrinsic importance and we concentrate more on the available sources. Either way this subject is clearly notable. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:59, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep. A quick look at the many reliable sources found by clicking on the word "news" in the searches automatically provided above shows extensive ongoing coverage of the subject. There's no need to look beyond the general notability guideline here, but in general bishops or the equivalent in major religious denominations usually turn out to be notable. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 16:33, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - the Die Welt article is pretty routine, but NDR is a news site and the article about her there is pretty in depth. Here is another one in Hamburger Abendblatt that is also very in depth and independent from the NDR article. So she seems to meet GNG to me. Smmurphy(Talk) 16:42, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep per WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES. StAnselm (talk) 23:54, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Diocesan ELC bishop is probably inherently notable per WP:CLERGY, but even if that doesn't work, she appears to pass GNG per the sources noted by . --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:13, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, there ARE notability guidelines for clergy after all! (Can't see why I couldn't find them earlier.)
 * Well, that pretty much settles it, doesn't it? --84.190.90.147 (talk) 06:06, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The Abendblatt piece found by Smmurphy is a good one, and not immediately following the election. WP:CLERGY notwithstanding, I am not convinced bishops are automatically notable, but this one certainly is. Withdrawing the nomination. Tigraan Click here to contact me 09:05, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


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