Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kirsten Goss


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Kirsten Goss

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WP:SOAP, not seeing anything in the sourcing that constitutes WP:RS, not seeing sufficient evidence of notability. Acousman</b><b style="color:#6a359c">a</b> 14:45, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete, couldn’t find any reliable sources independent of the subject. Just interviews and announcements -Xclusivzik (talk) 01:50, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, coverage in WP:RS newspapers including Mail and Guardian and City Press. Top Billing is/was a high profile TV magazine show on the national broadcaster. Park3r (talk) 09:38, 29 April 2021 (UTC) Update: Another source: this time a radio interview (business described as "hugely successful" in interview): http://www.capetalk.co.za/articles/362550/inspirational-ceo-kirsten-goss-is-paying-it-forward-one-employee-at-a-time Park3r (talk) 23:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Uhm the Mail & Guardian link is a dead/broken link. The only source that supports that she was on Top bllling is a YouTube source (which is considered to be a primary source). The remaining sources are interviews which don’t show any sign of notability. -Xclusivzik (talk) 10:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The Mail and Guardian article is available at archive.org I'm not sure what the YouTube insinuation is about: it would be hard to fake a national TV show clip for YouTube ([[WP:GLOBAL] means that a source may be reliable, even if it isn't known worldwide. Top Billing is a high-profile South African TV magazine show.). There is self-promotion in her media coverage, but it isn't our job to punish successful self-promoters who have managed to gain notability.Park3r (talk) 23:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kichu🐘 <i style="color:green">Need any help?</i> 15:19, 29 April 2021 (UTC) <sub style="font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">Aura 16:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep-I found some reliable sources. She even has her own website, www.kristingoss.com! JTZegers <span style="display:inline-block;margin-bottom:-0.3em;vertical-align:-0.4em;line-height:1.2em;font-size:80%;text-align:left"><sup style="font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">Speak
 * Having your own website is not even vaguely a sign of notability! Anyone with a few bucks can make one.Brianyoumans (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep All the coverage appears pretty promotional (and one of the listed sources is basically a copy of another one), but she appears to have enough sources for an article.Brianyoumans (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete A single reference in the Mail and Guardian which is a short interview and hardly consitutes WP:THREE, nor sufficient to satisfy WP:BIO or WP:SIGCOV. The Star reference is a press-release and the rest are very poor all-in-all, including some clickbait.   scope_creep Talk  11:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Did my due diligence and the majority of sources out there are passing mentions about her jewelry. Perhaps it's WP:TOOSOON until she gets a more national or international spotlight on her work. Missvain (talk) 21:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Wikipedia isn't your soapbox, as points out, she has her own website which should suit such purposes adequately.  (Yes, I'm aware having one's own website does not constitute notability, even I have one.)    SITH   (talk)   01:45, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom, fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:56, 8 May 2021 (UTC)


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