Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiyohara Tama


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The result of the nomination was keep.  Sango 123  17:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Kiyohara Tama
De-prodded w/ no explanation. No claim of notability is presented in article. Only 11 unique google hits. Icarus 05:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, pending verification: Searching by her adopted name gives 88k google hits. ラグーザ (曖昧さ回避) lists her as a dablink, though the article itself isn't there (yet). If the late Edo period Japanese govt. did indeed invite her to teach western art, then that makes her plenty notable for an encyclopedia entry. I'll try to look it up in the library later today. &mdash; Kaustuv Chaudhuri 06:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't search on her adopted name. But now that the AfD has been listed, I'd like to see how it plays out. Note that it wasn't she who was extended an invitation, it was her husband.  That appears to be the explanation of how they were in the same country and were thus able to meet.  The only claim made about her own abilities is that she "was herself a painter of great skill." --Icarus 06:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, right you are! So much for hasty reading. A lot of the links from the Google search above seem to be in Italian, which I don't speak a word of, sadly. Maybe someone else will find some good evidence for her notability. &mdash; Kaustuv Chaudhuri 06:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. WBIS Online gives five four [I counted the summary paragraph by mistake] different reference works where she is mentioned. up+land 06:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Does it give any information on what context she's mentioned in? That is, would all wives of notable husbands (and vice versa) be listed in WBIS Online because of brief mentions in sources about their famous spouses? --Icarus 07:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It just gives the references, but as they seem to be about Japanes art(ists), I doubt that would be the case:
 * Index of Japanese painters: compiled by the Society of Friends of Eastern Art. - Rutland [et al.]: Tuttle, [1959]
 * Roberts, Laurance P.: A dictionary of Japanese artists: painting, sculpture, ceramics, prints, lacquer. - 1st ed. - Tokyo [et al.]: Weatherhill, 1976
 * Frédéric, Louis: Encyclopaedia of Asian civilizations. - Paris: Frédéric [et al.], 1977-1984; 1987. - 10 vols. + Suppl
 * Takamure, Itsue: Dai Nihon josei jimmei jisho. - Tokyo: Koseikaku, 1942
 * up+land 07:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the further info, Uppland! --Icarus 20:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions.   -- TheFarix (Talk) 16:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - but expand. -- Kungfu Adam ( talk ) 17:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable outside of her hubby. Article needs expansion... and I thought that name sounded Sicilian.   Crappy bfish translation:
 * "The extraordinary Commissioner, Prof. Serious Guglielmo, the Gallery of Modern Art has visited this morning, “and. Restivo”, meeting a group of Japanese journalists presents to Palermo, in these days, in order to visit the city. The foreign delegation, accompanied from the Serious Commissioner, has admired the work present in knows it Pompeiana and the sculptures of the palermitano artist Vincenzo Ragusa between which that from he created in terracotta and dedicated to the own one consorte, the artist Kiokara O'Tama, (Eleonora Ragusa), of Japanese origin and to a burlap that the pittrice, instead, has realized having represented a landscape of the own places of birth. The Commissioner, in the course of its visit, has manifested appreciation for the present collection in the Gallery, “that he testifies the immense profuse cultural wealth between l'800 and the 900, which indelebile patrimony of our earth and ringraziato the delegation of Japanese for the shown attention today with their presence”. Serious he has then met the director of the Gallery of Modern Art, Dr.ssa Antonella Purpura, manifesting them a plauso for the value of the present collections in knows them espositive. The director has donated to His Excellency a copy of the catalogue of the works that are found near the Gallery."
 * I assume that this is a book of her work.
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