Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiyoshi Kawakubo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Keeper   76  20:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Kiyoshi Kawakubo

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Unnotable voice actor that fails WP:BIO. Almost all roles listed are minor roles, and no sources are given to back up any of these claims, just ELs. The whole thing may just be a copy of the JA article which is also completely unsourced. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 02:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.  -- --  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 02:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep I am still working on it.Kitty53 (talk) 02:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you were still working on it, why did you move it from user space to article space? In doing so, you were making a claim that it was ready to be launched and notability was established. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 02:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I made a mistake! Okay?!Kitty53 (talk) 02:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I change my vote to Redirect to 81 Produce, then.Kitty53 (talk) 03:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. I don't think it fails WP:BIO since it meets the first criteria for WP:ENTERTAINER.--Nohansen (talk) 03:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess that counts.Kitty53 (talk) 03:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Are any of his roles actual notable and do the series those roles qualify as "notable"? And, again, where are the sources to back up all the roles listed? Between ANN and the 81 profile, only part of the roles are covered. The rest have no sources at all. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 03:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I pretty much think so. You're making me want to change my vote back to Redirect to 81 Produce.Kitty53 (talk) 03:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I change my vote back to keep.Kitty53 (talk) 03:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment There are some parts in the JA article that I try to translate, but it always comes out mistranslated, so if I added it as it came out, it would be all wrong.Kitty53 (talk) 03:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep What, we're deleting totally random articles on real people now? I say keep this since its deletion wouldn't actually contribute anything to the project's credibility, weight issues, manual of style or any of that. - Norse Am Legend (talk) 04:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, we delete articles on real people all the time. Not every person in the world is notable for inclusion, and we aren't here to be a replica of IMDB, ANN, or any other voice actor directory listin, which is all this is or is likely to ever be. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 04:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep His voice credits are notable. Asher196 (talk) 04:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, given the current state of the article, there is nothing which denotes sufficient notability for retention Annette46 (talk) 04:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable per WP:N and WP:RS. ukexpat (talk) 04:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I change my vote back to Redirect to 81 Produce. I feel like I have no choice.Kitty53 (talk) 04:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And thus another potential fine new editor is railroaded by deletionists. Wikipedia will be MUCH better now, I'm sure. Take heart, Kitty53.  SOME of us appreciate your dilegence and work. 208.245.87.2 (talk) 18:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  17:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Voiced one of the main characters (Marco's father) in 3000 Leagues in Search of Mother and one of the two antagonists in Bubblegum Crisis. He is also the voice of Grospoliner.--Nohansen (talk) 19:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If there are no sources discussing these folks (relating to all the voice actor AfDs at the moment), they shouldn't have articles. It doesn't matter whether (we) anime fans think they are notable or important because of the roles they have played in some series, few of which are even considered that relevant/notable in the English speaking world because outside of Japan, anime is still a niche market. In reality, most don't even get that much coverage in Japan because voice actors are like TV actors in bit roles, with only a few exceptional ones out there who achieve claim and fame enough to be widely covered in various sources. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 20:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:BIO is not limited to "the English speaking world". These actors are either notable or they aren't. And, as far as the first criteria for an WP:ENTERTAINER is concerned, they are because the roles they've played are significant.--Nohansen (talk) 20:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.   —Quasirandom (talk) 20:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep While several listed roles are minor, he has had major roles in major series as mentioned by Nohansen. Edward321 (talk) 01:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The same as Edward321. --RekishiEJ (talk) 11:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Nohansen. I note that WP:ENTERTAINER #1 doesn't require that the roles be covered, only that they be significant within the production and that the production be notable. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment These AfD's seem to be related as by the same nom about similar actors and created by the same editor - I linked to them at the top for other editor's ease but nom has now deleted them twice so am adding here: Banj e  b oi   03:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Ai Nagano
 * Articles for deletion/Kokoro Kikuchi
 * Keep per Nohansen, Edward321, and others... Ranma9617 (talk) 03:34, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, «  Diligent Terrier    [talk]   00:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Because Kitty53 is an honest editor who needs our support and guidance. The article can be improved but does not warrant deletion.--Mike Cline (talk) 00:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete and eventually restore - Let Kitty53 work on it in userspace, Kitty, I suggest you do it here: User:Kitty53/Kiyoshi Kawakubo. Cheers, -- LordSunday    (₪Scribe₪)   (♦)  01:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm inclined to say any upper- or mid-level Japanese voice actors are notable, much as US or UK TV actors would be. In Japan, voice actors tend to have a much higher amount of celebrity and recognition than their US counterparts, to the point that there's actually magazines and such (example: Voice Animage) completely devoted to them.  So the bulk of sources aren't going to be in english, and probably not something you can grab off the rack at Barnes & Noble, but they do exist. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  13:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


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