Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Klein Plaubel

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was ambiguous. Despite 4 delete votes to 2 keep votes, I am strongly influenced by the PhD dissertation that Gzornenplatz found at. It verifies that a person of similar name was in fact an Oberaufseherin. However, almost none of the other facts asserted in the current article are verifiable. Since the name (and therefore the title of the article) are also incorrect, the clean-up would require a complete rewrite of the article. I am going to exercise my discretion to delete this incarnation of the article and remove the references found by "what links here". I am, however, going to keep the article's Talk page so that future editor/authors can use the findings there to craft the right article. Rossami (talk) 01:41, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Klein Plaubel
I smell a hoax... (see Talk:Klein Plaubel) or worse, deliberate defamation: see this Google search for +"Anne Klein" +ravensbrück: someone named Anne Klein seems to be a researcher who has published on the KZ Ravensbrück. Delete, and clean up related articles (check what links here). Lupo 15:27, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete I wonder if this is somebody's attempt at libel. There is, of course, also a famous designer named Anne Klein.  In any case, it should be deleted as unverified unless evidence arises to the contrary.  Better to err on the side of caution than be part of someone's disinformation scheme. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  15:53, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * The commandants of Sachsenhausen (detention camp) were, in order, Karl Otto Koch, Hermann Baranowsky, Hans Loritz and Anton Keindl (see this site), not anyone of this name. This article has a distinctly fishy smell and unless someone comes up with a reputable source, delete it. Dbiv 17:07, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC) No, looks like she is real according to this site. She is also mentioned at Aufseherin. Think it must be a keep. Dbiv 17:36, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * The link you mentioned, http://aufseherin.exsudo.com/ says (at the bottom) that some material comes from the wikipedia Aufseherin article. So one does not necessarily prove the other, as they are of the same (dubious) source.  Also http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3682 makes no mention of her.  I remain highly skeptical of this article's accuracy. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  17:50, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Person is real. Gzornenplatz 17:23, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are a couple of things that concern me here. I think we need better verification than has been provided so far. The article says she was never tried for war crimes, I think as phrased that's an unacceptable slur implying that she might have been guilty of them without needing to justify the claim, or providing any chance to defend it. Several of the articles in Category:Personnel of Nazi concentration camps have similar problems. See also Talk:Klein Plaubel. No vote as yet. Andrewa 21:19, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Abstain, until verification. Megan1967 00:58, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, article provides no means of verification, several details sound fabricated, no evidence this person ever existed. Wyss 10:32, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * weak Delete; I also smell something fishy here; the name 'Klein-Plaubel' would be the nowaday policy of (re-)naming a woman after her marriage if she wished to keep her name. For 'normal' people marrying in or around 1910/1920/1930 in Germany (depending on which birth date would be correct), this double-naming would have been virtually impossible to achieve. It could be a try to discredit the researcher mentioned above and on the talk page Lectonar 14:10, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This person is real. "Anna Friederike Mathilde Klein born Plaubel". Right the errors and change the title "Klein Plaubel" by "Anna Klein".

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