Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Klemme Community School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. It's clear that the content should be kept. Merging to redirecting this to another article does not require AFD, and while there was a minority which supported that, it was not widely discussed here. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:07, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Klemme Community School

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This is probably a copyvio, but has not been deleted because the creator of the article is also the author of the original text. No real notability is shown here and I do not believe it meets schooloutcomes criteria. at the very least this needs major rewriting. Dysklyver 19:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Based on the discussion at Teahouse/Questions/Archive 655 and comparing the copyright date of the website with the creation date of the Wikipedia article, it appears that the copying has been from Wikipedia, not to it. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:43, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment the suspected copyvio content in the article is from when it was created in 2007 and has only been tagged since August 2017. The website says "PAGE CREATED 15 JAN 2010 ©2010 LaVern D. Velau" and the earliest cached version is from 2013.
 * Thus it looks like the article was first and the webpage copied it. The website gives its sources as "This information and photos were taken from the books Klemme Iowa 1889-1989 © 1989, Heritage of Hancock County, Iowa Volume One © 1993". If you think this is copied verbatim from these sources, please verify it by gaining access to them. Failing that, I don't think there are grounds to call it a copyvio. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:51, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep or Redirect - I think with some effort, this could be reworked into a viable encyclopedic article, or at least redirected into a subsection of another. For example, the article makes reference to combining with the Belmond school district, in nearby Belmond, Iowa.  The Belmond article, education section, specifically mentions serving Klemme.  It might not be the greatest fit for this article, but at least it's a decent start (?) - NsTaGaTr (Talk) 19:56, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * probably Keep and improve. But it may be best to wait for an answer to the question posted here before closing this AfD. Maproom (talk) 22:12, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - The original creator of the article (whom has apparently taken up a new similar username stated here that the website was copied from Wikipedia, not the other way around. As such, I've removed the copypasta tag. John from Idegon (talk) 23:56, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - Notability is pretty much satisfied by the book noted in the article. The article is sixteen different kinds of awful, but that is not a reason to delete. It will, however need a motivated editor with access to local sources to fix it up. To that end, I'll leave a note at the Iowa project. John from Idegon (talk) 23:56, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep We do not delete articles about notable topics just because one of the contributors has not read and understood our licenses (which they agreed to) and is having a hissy fit. I agree that the article is awful in many ways. The immediate solution is to remove the overtly awful content and keep the barely adequate content, with the goal of whipping the article into shape. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:02, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Article meets notable guidelines, just the outstanding question around the copy from other website and which was first but if all ok then it should be kept. Just is really going to need a tidy up. NZFC  (talk) 05:53, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Yes, again, not written to the or usual style or even standard, but that's not a reason for deletion (WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP). Some of the sources are solid and probably underused, and in any case, as an aside, it's hard to imagine many institutions surviving 100 years+ and not attaining any degree of notability. &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  12:13, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Klemme, Iowa and keep the title as a redirect. At the moment, there is simply not enough to adequately verify the content of even the most basic stub on this topic. Note that the two books which are mentioned as "sources" and which are being used to argue for notability are not devoted to the school per se, i.e.
 * Klemme, Iowa 1889-1989 (1989) which was privately published by a local historian
 * Heritage of Hancock County (1993) compiled by the Hancock County Genealogical Society and published by the now-defunct Curtis Media Corporation which was a historical and genealogical book publisher
 * We have no way of knowing how much of the content in the Wikipedia article is original research (quite a lot, I suspect) and how much is actually from the two books mentioned. No page numbers have been provided in any case. Certainly nothing after 1993 can be sourced from them. I could not find any articles in the Google Newspapers archive that even mention the school. The local paper The Klemme Times ran from 1895 to 1961 and is available only on microfilm at the State Historical Society of Iowa. The 1970 high school yearbook is online here, although again, a rather dubious source and behind a paywall. The site of the Belmond-Klemme school district  to which it merged has nothing about either school's history. Once the "essay" material, names of past students, and random sports sourced by user-generated content at a Google site wiki  are removed, what's left? And even that will be very inadequately referenced. Voceditenore (talk) 17:16, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - I am coming to consider myself a deletionist, but I have the personal view that almost anything that is well-documented from more than a century ago is notable and should be recorded in Wikipedia. Something that lasted for nearly a century doesn't need to be as important as the Roman Empire or dinosaurs to be kept.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Klemme, Iowa per . Assuming that our notability requirements are met, the present article would still have to be cut back to practically a single sentence until such time as someone can access offline sources. Meanwhile, the references section states "This information was taken from the books...", the phrasing of which suggests a possible copyright violation. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:45, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Cordless Larry, I doubt if there is significant copyvio from those two books, although it's possible. It's more likely that the bulk of the content comes from interviews with residents by the WP article's creator and other original research, e.g. unpublished city documents, private scrapbooks, etc. If old newspapers were used, there is no indication of it. The main problem is separating out the OR from what might have been written in the two books. We simply have no way of knowing. If kept or merged, I'd be willing to work with other editors to pare the article down to something reasonably encyclopedic. However, the result will be extremely short and still poorly referenced, as we are working in the dark. It would have been helpful if the editor who created the article had minimally included page numbers for the books. Voceditenore (talk) 09:42, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just did a search on newspapers.com (see ), and there probably is enough there to source a few key points, although its very laborious if you don't have a subscription and have work only with the OCR text. Voceditenore (talk) 16:31, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Klemme, Iowa or re-purpose to Belmond-Klemme Community School District. The article is egregiously full of trivia and other obviously non-encyclopedic content. Once the article is cleaned up, there won't be enough for a stand-alone article. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 16:04, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep it's notable and we don't delete articles for the reasons the creator wants. White Arabian Filly  Neigh 18:32, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep because, being a long established high school it will undoubtedly meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. It's been recently re-written so, fortunately, the continual insulting of the original author(s) can now stop. Ironically the Wikipedia article could be sourced quite well now using the Klemme Homestead Museum page (which the original Wikipedia author claims to have helped create) . Sionk (talk) 13:54, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't feel like the original author has been "insulted" here, but including content such as the full list of names of the graduating class of 1990 does suggest that they don't understand what Wikipedia is supposed to be. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 14:24, 8 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Sionk, the Klemme Homestead Museum piece is a copy of the Wikipedia article. OK for an external link perhaps, but circular referencing I'm afraid. See John from Idegon's first comment above. Voceditenore (talk) 15:10, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay fair enough, thanks Voceditenore, I can see it's identical in every respect to the Wikipedia version as of 2009. Sionk (talk) 15:31, 8 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.