Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knight Orders (David Eddings)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to List of characters in The Elenium and The Tamuli. The content is still available under the redirect for anyone who wishes to merge it. Stifle (talk) 10:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Knight Orders (David Eddings)

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Contains only WP:OR plot summary, no coverage by third party sources, fails WP:N. Too large to merge to the articles about the literary works. A merger into a new article about the fictional world, as suggested by the editor contesting the PROD, is also a bad idea as long as that target article would also consist only of unsourced, unnotable plot summary - we'd need some substantial third party coverage about the entire subject matter first.  Sandstein  05:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Rationalise. As well as this article, we've also got The Elenium, The Tamuli, Races in the Elenium, List of countries in The Elenium and The Tamuli, Sparhawk, List of characters in The Elenium and The Tamuli, and Bhelliom, all for the same series featuring the same characters.  That's a great deal too many articles, and what we actually need is two: one combined article on Elenium and Tamuli and one list of characters. I agree that the article we're considering should probably go, but I feel what's actually needed is a talk-page discussion in which the future of all these articles is taken as a whole (ideally without the time-pressure of an AfD), rather than a precipitous decision on one individual article, so if it's decided to delete this article at this discussion, I would prefer that the said material is held in userspace for the moment.— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  09:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In principle, I agree that we need much fewer articles about all this, but as long as the actual content of all of them is unsourced plot summary, it needs to go. I don't object to userfication to the userspace of somebody who wants to undertake the work S Marshall proposes.  Sandstein   09:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant my userspace; drop it in User:S Marshall/Sandbox which doesn't contain anything I need at the moment. :-)  I'll do the work, if that's the consensus.— S Marshall   Talk / Cont  10:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 06:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * merge too large to merge? merge some of it.  Probably not an appropriate article. When I deprodded it, I suggested a merge, and some possibilities to rationalize the articles,  and I do not know why it was brought there when there was a preferred solution available.    DGG ( talk ) 19:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete without scholarly analysis, this is all WP:PLOT which Wikipedia is not. Abductive  (reasoning) 22:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge what can be sourced (as opposed to what (nothing) is presently sourced) then 'Redirect to List of characters in The Elenium and The Tamuli. Plainly the pager cannot remain as unsourced OR. However, WP:BEFORE requires us to look at alternatives to deletion. Since we have an obvious merge target, and the existence of these orders within the books is readily verifiable, then I see no policy basis for a deletion. TerriersFan (talk) 23:48, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.