Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knights Templar and popular culture (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nandesuka (talk) 01:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Knights Templar and popular culture
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Completing unfinished nom for User:NickPenguin. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strange, Twinkle lost my nomination message. Oh well, I'll just type it out again. Procedural nomination. Article was deleted in a "tainted" Afd several months ago, involving banned users and sockpuppets. As a result of the deletion review, the article was userfied, cleaned up, merged back into mainspace, and this AfD was created to try for a clean vote. Personally I am in favour of keep, but I am involved in a popular culture related wikiproject, so take my !vote with a grain of salt. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 16:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep A really major subject in popular culture. Many works people know about. Specific sources should be added, and perhaps some of the ones that might be dubious discussed, but that's editorial matters. DGG (talk) 16:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Although this article should be improved, it doesn't seem as if anyone formulated a solid rationale for its deletion. --Loremaster (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the above. and or in popular culture? -- GarbageCollection - !Collect 17:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is a standard naming convention for "in popular culture" type articles yet, although the majority do follow the "in popular culture" pattern. Some articles use "Cultural depictions of X", but that seems to be used on things with a broader cultural influence, like Cultural depictions of frogs and Cultural depictions of Jesus. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 17:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. A major topic, referenced frequently in popular culture. Plus the article survived deletion review and was cleaned up and improved. 23skidoo (talk) 17:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable, best in a separate article rather than in the main Knights Templar article Doug Weller (talk) 18:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Article has quality, and is of high importance. DeadmanUndertaker 18:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep per Omne Datum Optimum. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep per Colonel Warden. --Firefly322 (talk) 20:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The article could use editing and better referencing, but the notability of the content does not appear to be a problem. Ecoleetage (talk) 21:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Templars come up a lot in fiction, so this is useful for people researching either Templars or elements for story creation.MKULTRA333 (talk) 06:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, the opening prose saves it. References that haven't been discussed in print should be mercilessly removed IMO. WillOakland (talk) 08:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Snowball keep and my arguments last time are just augmented by the various improvements since. Best, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 03:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I just think the article has the wrong approach here. Rather than simply listing everything that the Knights Templar have ever been mentioned in or vaguely referred to, the article could do well to provide, in some more prose, an analysis of the Knights Templar in popular culture, using examples of appearances where necessary. If the list is kept, it should be maintained so that the appearances are notable, and referenced to remove original research and: for instance, the StarCraft comparison to the Knights Templar is wholly unnecessary as there's nothing to directly link the development of the Templar caste in the game to the Knights Templar, other than the fact that the developer liked the name. Each entry should have the role of the Knights Templar elaborated on briefly to help show the notability of the Knights Templar within the work - entries like "National Treasure, 2004" and "The Da Vinci Code, bestselling 2003 novel by Dan Brown. This was also adapted into a film version in 2006" tell you nothing useful about the Templar in popular culture, whereas "The Revenge of the Shadow King, by Derek Benz and J.S. Lewis, relates an alternate history of the Knights Templar, aligning them with an age-old order whose primary role is to defend the world from the powers of darkness. In this book, the Templars still exist and operate today from the shadows of an underground organization." does. Keep it, but improve by ensuring verifability, adding further (sourced) analysis in prose and keeping examples to ones where the appearance of the Templar are notable. -- Sabre (talk) 13:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.