Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knockout Kings (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 22:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Knockout Kings (band)

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Non-notable; no verfiable, reliable sources. Bdb484 (talk) 20:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Non-notable regional band claiming notability by way of the non-notable indie record company. Fails WP:BAND. § FreeRangeFrog 22:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

This article has been up for over two years. Yesterday, a few friends and I attempted to strengthen its credibility by reformatting it and citing several new credible sources. Why does that warrant an effort to have it deleted? If you don't believe that the website of a record label with worldwide distribution as well as every online outlet you can think of (amazon.com, itunes, walmart.com, napster, etc., etc.), why does that label have an article on wikipedia? I'm referring to the Doll House Recordings website. I also listed the Deep Elm Records website as a source. If being on a Deep Elm Records compilation (the emo diaries is a particularly famous compilation - there are bad links to it on wikipedia, meaning it once had an article and some frivolous deleter erroneously wiped it out) doesn't make one noteworthy, or the Deep Elm website isn't considered a notable source on the subject of emo music, somebody needs to do some research and possibly rewrite the emo article on this website. Why do literally hundreds of equally or less notable musical artists have wikipedia articles that cite absolutely no sources at all (save possibly their own myspace or purevolume page)? Since the tag for deletion, I've added a possibly more credible source than the last ones. This one is a print source from HM (magazine), an established Christian Rock magazine that has been around since 1984. I'll do my best to find some more print sources, but they're tough to find since the band's era of major popularity was a few years ago. I luckily had this one handy. Fortworthtx (talk) 20:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

- new reference - added from interpunk.com Fortworthtx (talk) 21:16, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

- another new print reference.. available online in archives - North Texas Daily Fortworthtx (talk) 21:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

- new print reference - Temple Daily Telegram Fortworthtx (talk) 22:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA CRITERIA FOR MUSICIANS AND ENSEMBLES: ITEM NUMBER 6 - Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such, and that common sense exceptions always apply.

Jon Burrow, one time drummer of the knockout kings is now the drummer of PlayRadioPlay!, who is signed to Island/Def Jam, and has been charted on Billboad (see their wikipedia references). Fortworthtx (talk) 23:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- &mdash; LinguistAtLarge • Talk  01:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —  Aitias   // discussion 00:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svgDelete These references do not provide sufficient evidence of notability Letsdrinktea (talk) 00:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: insufficient independent 3rd party sources WP:BAND. JamesBurns (talk) 02:39, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Even when you discount unreliable sources, there are still plenty left to establish notability. Also, the claim Jon Burrow meets criterion 6 needs to be investigated. I asked Fox to provide the reference to back it up directly. - Mgm|(talk) 10:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Like MGM, if you sift the wheat from the chaff, there is just enough there to pass WP:MUSIC. Although I wouldn't call Doll House Recordings a notable record label; "a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable", nor has it been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 23:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


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