Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knoel Scott


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.  So Why  10:45, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Knoel Scott

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As much as I hate to nominate a page of someone who I somewhat know (musically; never met the man), there are a total of 27 GNews hits for Scott, almost all of them being one-or-two-line mentions, and almost all being in the context of being in Sun Ra's band. He just doesn't appear to be independently notable. Primefac (talk) 02:14, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America1000 05:40, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * * WikiProject Jazz notified. AllyD (talk) 07:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment. Note that he appears to have changed the spelling of his name from "Noel Scott" to "Knoel Scott", around 2000. That adds quite a lot more sources, but the main ones are straight interviews with him. It would be a stretch, based on what I've seen, to keep this. Redirect to Sun Ra for now and list him there? EddieHugh (talk) 11:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC) ...adding the main sources I see: concert review, concert review, interview, interview. EddieHugh (talk) 11:24, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * He's also a band leader with three albums on his name two of which are documented at https://www.discogs.com/Knoel-Scott-Live-In-Alaska/release/2976372 and http://www.united-mutations.com/s/knoel_scott_bebopandbeyond.htm
 * He's an exceptional musician second in command of the SUN RA Arkestra and in line to take the place of Marshall Allen who is now in his 90s and I believe it's time his talents are recognised. He appears with different names, notably Noel and Nöel, but I believe they are misspelling of his name as we can see at https://www.discogs.com/artist/263455-Noel-Scott?filter_anv=1&anv=N%C3%B6el+Scott and https://www.discogs.com/artist/263455-Noel-Scott and in both cases we find references to other albums he played on.
 * Plus he worked on side projects and he led his own trios, quartets and quintets through the years and it's difficult to ignore such a prolific career. Discogs includes an extensive list of credits for Knoel at https://www.discogs.com/artist/263455-Noel-Scott?filter_anv=0&type=Credits and I personally believe musicians in his league should be recognised for their work.Tonetrade (talk) 10:36, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * As do I, but Wikipedia has very specific guidelines of inclusion for its articles. I do not deny that he has produced a lot of work, but he is severely lacking in detailed coverage in reliable sources. Someone could make 1000 albums in their lifetime, but if they never get discussed they are simply not notable according to Wikipedia's standards. As a note, discogs is simply a listing of all the works of someone, and while decent for verifying facts, does almost nothing for notability (same with Allmusic). Primefac (talk) 13:45, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 04:55, 20 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - the two recently added reviews were enough to get to GNG for me. Editorial comment - we have articles on virtually every kid that ever picked up a mic and rapped. This guy has been a jazz icon for decades. Somehow we need to account for the cultural interest in pop forms vs more traditional forms. John from Idegon (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: The creator of and primary contributor to the article,, has been advised to seek out print magazine articles about Knoel Scott from the pre-internet era; I expect that such sources exist, but am unable to search them out on my own. I am reserving my !vote at this time, but hope that the article will be relisted to give Tonetrade (and other interested editors) time to find non-digitized sources to supplement what's already cited. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 23:35, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * ...whiiiich, due to their current indefinite block 🚫 for spamming, they are unlikely to do. Just FYI. &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  07:30, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:08, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: The user formerly known as Tonetrade is now Harlesdenbop; blocks for promotional names are always indefinite, but the admin who changed the username left the issue of whether to unblock the user based on the COI issue for another admin, and thus far it seems no one has addressed the unblock request. I had never heard of Knoel Scott before this AfD, unlike, but I share 's concern about WP giving undue weight to more recently-debuting musicians in other genres. I'm hoping that will be unblocked and allowed to share (on the article's talk page) information from magazines that he has access to which haven't been digitized; I agree that editing the article directly would be a problem, but this is one of the reason we have talk pages. I have worked with a number of COI editors so that Wikipedia could have new articles which began improperly remain on the site in conformance with our policies, and I would be more than happy to do so again in this instance. — GrammarFascist   contribs talk 21:36, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Recently-added references show that he has received significant, independent coverage and passes WP:GNG. The COI issue is therefore not relevant. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:28, 3 September 2017 (UTC)


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