Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knuckle Sandwich Nancy (song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Till Deaf Do Us Part. Jayjg (talk) 04:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Knuckle Sandwich Nancy (song)

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Non-notable song that didn't chart. E. Fokker (talk) 21:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Single has background information - regardless of chart performance. Only non-charting single throught 1980 to 1988 for Slade. Rock band Queen has 6 number one singles, just like Slade and yet Queen has article's for all singles such as these which has not only less info but it did not chart:
 * Jealousy (Queen song)
 * Pain Is So Close to Pleasure
 * One Year of Love
 * I did not realise that some popular band's are given more effort and care than others in the similar popularity. Why should this article be deleted quickly when the articles mentioned have been alerted and yet remain active? Ajsmith141 (talk) 21:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Also, Delete for lack of individual notability per WP:NSONGS; the superfluous (song) makes it unfeasible as a redirect. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:11, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge into Till Deaf Do Us Part, as per the WP:NSONG guideline, singles (excluding a few very special examples) should be merged with the relevant album.--hkr Laozi speak  04:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

It is going to break the chronology chain, the consecutive listing of complete singles although not all are completed yet, this single was chosen next as it had plenty of information. Unfortunately, there's a lot of heartless editors out there who just don't care. There has been info on the article that states it's importance. Ajsmith141 (talk) 18:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,   Wifione    .......  Leave a message  08:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

I really do not see the harm in this article. There is a fair amount of information on the page which is much more than the usual single article has. It is also by no means complete and so more information will be added. Ajsmith141 (talk) 10:24, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

With what reason? Ajsmith141 (talk) 17:20, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to Till Deaf Do Us Part. -- Whpq (talk) 15:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - because the song fails to meet notability for a song. per WP:NSONG.  -- Whpq (talk) 17:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

As stated on the notability page: "A separate article on a song should only exist when there is enough verifiable material to have a reasonably detailed article. Articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album".Ajsmith141 (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - That is a necessary but not sufficient condition to establish that a separate article for a song should be created. You carefully snipped the text out of context.  Right before that little passage you quote is "Most songs do not rise to notability for an independent article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for the songwriter, a prominent album or for the artist who prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. Notability aside..." which identifies the how to decide that a song would meet notability.  The part you have quoted is an addiitonal condition, that even if a song has charted, it still needs sourcing such that a fully developed article can be created.  The article, as it stands right now, has no reliable sources.  A blog on Bloglspot is not a reliable source.  And I see no substantial coverage about the song.  So it fails notability, and fails sourcing even if notability were otherwise established through charting. -- Whpq (talk) 19:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Reference added which includes newspaper articles based on the matter. Notability - due to this very single, the departure of manager Chas Chandler who guided, produced and led the band to six number one hits in the 70s, a total of 17 top 20 hits. Fair amount of press coverage on the incident which the single was based on. Only non-charting single from 1980 to 1988.Ajsmith141 (talk) 21:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.