Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Koker (musician)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The only keep arguments are from sockpuppets.  DGG ( talk ) 14:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Koker (musician)

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this falls in WP:TOOSOON as the subject does not meet WP:GNG —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 08:51, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 08:52, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 08:52, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 08:52, 3 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep: The subject has been discussed in reliable sources and it's meets WP:GNG News24, All Africa, Nigerian Entertainment Today, He meets criteria 1, 7, 8 of WP:MUSBIO and he was part of The Indestructible Choc Boi Nation compilation album by  Chocolate City..--Obari2Kay (talk) 15:12, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * , you're yet to provide independent sources that discusses the subject in order to establish notability. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 16:15, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * it is said on independent sources "If no reliable sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." and to what that implies is if their are no notable reliable source found on the subject "Koker" Wikipedia should not have it and their are 11 reliable major source on the article Koker that are notable and the 19 unreliable source which does not cover his story but they only cover songs he has been featured on... An this is just by the way; due to some of the articles i read on notable musical artist, i understood if the article meet's one or more of WP:MUSBIO it is set to be notable by Wikipedia; am i wrong or right?.. --Obari2Kay (talk) 16:39, 3 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete The subject of this article has not gained significant coverage in reliable sources to warrant a stand-alone article. He has not been discussed in significant detail. Contrary to statements made by Obari2Kay, the subject doesn't meet the aforementioned criteria of WP:MUSICBIO. The News24, All Africa, and Nigerian Entertainment Today sources mentioned by Obari2Kay are press release info about his singles "Kolewerk" and "Do Something". They are not musical reviews of the singles and can't be treated as such. As of right now, the subject has not been discussed significantly. His musical releases have not been discussed as well. As Oluwa2Chainz already stated, it is simply too soon for a stand-alone article. Koker is probably going to be notable in the near future, but he simply doesn't qualify to have a stand-alone article right now.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 14:22, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment It is clear on WP:MUSICBIO which say's "May be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria" i asked before if i was right or wrong guest am right because it is clear, The article for koker meet's criteria 8 which say's Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy and in Nigeria we recognize Nigeria Entertainment Awards, The Headies, City People Entertainment Awards and more.. An Koker won City People Entertainment Awards in 2016 nominated for The Headies in 2015, criteria 10 which say's "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album" and here is a compilation album The Indestructible Choc Boi Nation by Chocolate City and performed in Gidi Culture Festival which is been broadcast on television..  criteria 11 which say's "Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network." and he has been not just on rotation but also on Chart on The Beat 99.9 FM and criteria 1 an it's say's "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself" he has been published works on newspaper articles and magazine articles... So i don't still see your reason on why the article should be deleted, i think you need a more clear reason on why it should..  An due to what you said  about the article beening too soon to stand-alone as an article, it is said on WP:TOOSOON "that if WP:ENTERTAINER expands on consideration of entertainment-specific criteria for actors who, even if failing the WP:GNG, might still be reasonably presumed as notable if having.
 * 1. "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions" which he meet's (stage performances)..
 * 2. "a large fan base or a significant "cult" following", which he meet's (having a large fan base)
 * 3. "made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment", which he meet's (Making a unique style of music). An on summarize on actors it is said "If an actor cannot meet at least one of the inclusion criteria, it is pretty much TOO SOON for an article to be considered. It is clear that the article is not TOO SOON he meet's not just one of the cities but four of the cities so he should be on wikipedia as a stand alone article...--Obari2Kay (talk) 18:37, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment An one of the links provided by on the  Wikipedia deletion for Ruby Gyany Koker was also mention on the article Daily Times.. Ruby Gyang and Koker but have the same issues and the article was Withdrawn by  and here we are for days still debating on this when it is clear..--Obari2Kay (talk) 19:45, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment significant coverage you saying.. An here is a significant detail Naij but the other was a related story Naij an lastly, Some of the artist like Del B, Lola Rae, Cynthia Morgan don't even meet WP:GNG and they have Wikipedia article..  Koker passes WP:GNG, what i have seen is they where only on wikipedia because they met Criteria 8 of WP:MUSICBIO..--Obari2Kay (talk) 07:21, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * "Keep" the article meet up requirement policy by Wikipedia, which is to be followed for ever article written as Jeff Elder said to me in his office yesterday, he also said it was not wrong for me to be on Wikipedia even if i was his PR, he made that clear to me and he emailed me some links to go do studied on and i woke-up this morning by 5am to start writing the article again on Wikipedia and their is an article on Koker but this time it has more notable references than the last time which was only YouTube and iTunes link's which i provided in written it.. It's a Stronger Keep from me due to my study on the article link's giving to me by Jeff Elder.--Chocboyz 10:16, 7 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choccitymusic1 (talk • contribs) 10:16, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * This is sock puppetry of the highest order. is a sock of . The later even make edits similar to that of the already blocked . —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 10:36, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * what a sock puppetry of the highest order. I just got a mail on my yahoo telling me you sent me a message . Please explain the meaning because i don't get the meaning of sock.--Obari2Kay (talk) 10:42, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes am a sock puppetry of User:ChocCityMusic but i don't know Obari2Kay an i can remember you emailing me, on my mail saying "your name is Oluwa Miles and you send me a link of Niniola" and you ask me to pay you to write Niniola and also Koker (musician)... I work for Chocolate City and Naija Review and i manage both artist.--Chocboyz 10:50, 7 August 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choccitymusic1 (talk • contribs)

I believe you are taking things out of context here. I am going to try to clear things up for you. Let me start by saying that notability is not synonymous with accolades. A subject winning or being nominated for an accolade doesn't make them notable on Wikipedia. This encyclopedia doesn't care about the number of accolades a subject garnered or the popularity of the subject. In order for a subject to have a stand-alone article written about them, that subject must meet the requirements of WP:GNG. Koker doesn't meet WP:GNG and has not been discussed significantly in multiple reliable sources independent of him. If you do a Google search of Koker, you'll clearly see that he has not been discussed in detail. Koker fails criteria 10 of WP:MUSICBIO. He hasn't performed a theme for a network television show or performance in a television show or notable film. He has been included on a notable compilation album, but since he doesn't pass WP:GNG, this claim can't be used to establish stand-alone notability. Koker fails criteria 11 of WP:MUSICBIO. Radio charts are not notable charts and they cannot be used to establish notability. Nigeria doesn't have an official music chart so please don't include charts in your argument. Koker also fails WP:ENTERTAINER. He doesn't have a large cult following and has not made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. He hasn't had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. The Gidi Culture Festival being broadcasted on TV doesn't make it a television show. Koker's performance at Gidi Culture Festival hasn't been discussed in reliable sources. If you show me reliable sources that have discussed Koker in significant detail, I am going to change my decision. The article you mentioned about Ruby Gyang discusses Ruby Gyang. Koker was only mentioned once. Being mention in an article is not the same as being discussed in an article. If you believe that the Del B, Lola Rae, and Cynthia Morgan articles do not meet WP:GNG, please nominate them for deletion.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 14:30, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I am going to be reporting User:Obari2Kay as a likely sock of User:ChocCityMusic and User:Choccitymusic1. You guys need to understand the rules of this encyclopedia. Please read WP:RULES before creating another article or editing another page. You can't come to Wikipedia and create multiple accounts in an attempt to sway decisions your way. Please understand that there are guidelines and procedures that editors must abide by. Editors who violate these guidelines and procedures can get blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia. If you are blocked on Wikipedia, do not create another account and start editing again. Please don't ever think you'll go unnoticed. The more accounts you create to evade your block, the more you're tarnishing your name and reputation. Last but not least, do not edit Wikipedia for monetary gains. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Please read WP:PAID for information on Paid-contribution disclosure.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 14:54, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

here is a source from Tush Magazine that shows that he was been discussed on Tush Magazine and here is a link from Gidi Culture Festival, before you say anything please check this then when you are done then you can check this where he was listed out on the final list on Okay Africa and also on Gidi Culture Festival official web page shows the schedule of every performance Gidi Culture Festival.
 * Men i wished i could get paid for doing this... You guys should help me in doing research because it's not been easy as a one man doing all this, working at night working at day no time to rest because i love written.. Due to what you said about official chart in Nigeria, we have airplay chart you don't know, since i work with Kiss Fm 98.9 also and the official chart name is Playdata Chart, i know it's new to your hearing because you know nothing about it and am in line with it so i should know better, what have i done now that even wants me to be blocked on Wikipedia.. Men i have tried, i would not kill my self for Koker after all i don't know him and he does not know me.. I have tried i rest my case.--Obari2Kay (talk) 16:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just google Koker musician or Koker nigeria musician and even on image his pictures would pop-up.. An the name Koker is been answered by so many persons, thing's and places online just like on Wikipedia Danny Koker, David Koker, Koker, Iran, David Koker, Kokers Films, Kokernag, Kokernot Field, Koker trilogy and more.--Obari2Kay (talk) 17:03, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment here is also a notable event Felabration and it's has a notable source from Nigerian Entertainment Today have i won your heart in changing your vote   Versace1608 , so i can go have some rest?.--Obari2Kay (talk) 17:23, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - The coverage is fluff, plain and simple. The requirement for charting is on a national chart, not on a radio station playlist.  The fact that an artist plays at an event does not make the artist notable.  WP:NMUSIC has very clear guidelines, and they have not been met by a long shot.  Even if the label is considered major, the article subject hasn't got the release numbers needed, and that's about the only criteria that's even illustrated by the article.  A musician isn't notable simply because he or she has a job to go and play music and does it. MSJapan (talk) 03:35, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


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