Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kolia Litscher


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 01:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Kolia Litscher

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This person, at present, lacks notability in his native country and has no article in the French wikipedia (nor should he have one for now, may I add). His mother is vaguely notable in France (though the opportunity of her article on the english wikipedia is debatable) and his two half-sisters Maïwenn and Isild Le Besco are definitely notable. However, having notable relatives, and playing minor parts in movies directed by them, does not make one notable per se. Should he become a notable performer one day, this article would be justified, but so far that is not the case IMHO.

Similar case as his sister Léonor Graser. This might be a case of family-oriented self-promotion.


 * Delete. See above. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 09:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC) (as nominator)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: Projet: Cinéma has been notified on the French Wikipedia. Comte0 (talk) 15:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment We really do not worry here whether or not the fr.Wikipedia has article on subjects or not, as they are far smaller than en.Wikipedia and do not use the same inclusion criteria as do we. As the article HERE asserts this person as a French actor, we instead look to available sources to see if our WP:NACTOR can be met through having significant roles in notable projects and coverage of those works, or our WP:ANYBIO through awards and nominations.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * What you should worry about is whether or not these people meets any criteria. So far Kolia Litscher doesn't. He did appear in several productions as a child, or as a young adolescent, but does not seem to have done anything notable since then, and he hasn't attracted any particular attention when he did. In France (or anywhere else) he was far from being a notable child actor, and there is no evidence that he has achieved any kind of fame as a grown-up actor, or even that he has pursued an acting career after the age of 15 (maybe he will, and will become a notable professional actor, but that is far from the case right now) I should add that the "Awards and nominations" section in his article is disingenuous. Two films he played in did receive awards and nominations, but he didn't. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 09:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "he hasn't attracted any particular attention when he did"... except in Variety, The New York Times , Libération , Paris Match , Le Nouvel Observateur
 * Also, your claim that "This might be a case of family-oriented self-promotion" on en.wp may violate WP:FAITH, without any other argument. Comte0 (talk) 14:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The film was mentioned in newspapers because it was directed by a notable actress. I am not being judgemental about the picture : what I am saying is that Kolia Litscher was just a teenager when he appeared in that film directed by his sister, and he hasn't done much of anything since then (as an actor, that is).
 * As for "family-oriented self-promotion" : the account who created the page has contributed only to pages related to Catherine Belkhodja (an article tagged as suffering from a conflict of internest) and her children. And on the french wikipedia, there has been some amount of pov-pushing/conflict of interest in those specific articles : 1. Moreover, Maïwenn publicly stated that her mother had been writing her wikipedia biography without her consent. So I definitely have some reasons to suspect (without being 100% sure, of course) that there might be some conflict of interests here too.
 * Should this page be kept, it would have to undergo a major cleanup anyway. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 08:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You should have read the US sources I quoted: I was actually talking about two differents films... Comte0 (talk) 09:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. Both were performed directed by his sister (who is notable) : in the first one, he was a child actor, and in the second a young teenager. He hasn't done anything public since then. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 13:06, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep If this were Yet Another Dabase Entry in IMDB I might have agreed with you, however I don't expect really non notable French films, and their actors, to be reviewed by the New York Times and Variety. Regards, Comte0 (talk)
 * See above : this is not about the film but about the child/teenage actor who hasn't done much of anything since and might even not be pursuing an acting profession anymore. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 08:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:NTEMP tells us that even if an editor herein makes a supposition that an actor "might even not be pursuing an acting profession anymore", that actor's sourcable notability for having had significant roles in multiple notable productions does not somehow disappear. And that the actor involved himself in significant roles in notable productions because of a family relationship is irrelevent to this discussion, as involvement in entertainment because of family quite often goes hand-in-hand. I am reminded of the Sheens, the Baldwins, and the Barrymores. A supposition of COI is addressed through cleanup (if required) to comply with Wikipedia's content policies. More cogent is that the article author has not edited any of these articles since July 2007, and the multiple edits by others have pretty much laid that worry to rest. We do not maintain such tags if they no longer apply. A 4-year-old allegation of COI is no longer COI if the issues have been addressed and the author refrains from editing such articles... as are the cases herein. Article and the project will benefit from further improvement through regular editing.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:53, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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