Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Konjic massacre


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete per consensus that the article is not salvagable. Davewild (talk) 20:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Konjic massacre

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This article seems to be highly biased and it is not clear to what extent it is based in fact. My POV and HOAX tags have been removed.

The key points of the article are to allege a massacre and genocide of Serbs in Konjic during the war in the former Yugoslavia. The title seems not to reflect a phrase in general circulation. Googling for "Konjic massacre" gives only one hit other than on Wikipedia. Nothing in Google News. Nothing in Google Scholar. If this event did take place then it certainly is not known by this name.

There are five references. Four of them rely on what seem to be three Serbian Nationalist sites, which have an obvious bias in this domain. The fifth, the only one which looks RS to me, is an UN court judgement. This only contains the words "massacre" and "genocide" in relation to explaining the scope of the court's jurisdiction and in references to other cases. It is not used when describing this particular case. While I would not wish to belittle the importance of the case or make light of the crimes commited, it doesn't seem to support an article titled "Konjic massacre".

It seems to me that this article fails to establish notability, verifiability or neutrality. This is not to say that the event which this article is based upon might not be a notable subject if written about more objectively. I hold no opinion on that. DanielRigal (talk) 21:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm pretty sure it's not a hoax, on the basis of this. I'm going to need to do more research before I can decide if Konjic massacre is an appropriate article title, or if there are enough sources to support an article.  I'm off to do more research (and probably some article editing), but we can almost certainly rule out a hoax.  Vickser (talk) 23:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.   —Nick Dowling (talk) 01:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. I examined the sources as well as summary contribution. This user made just a few edits, and wrote his first article based on Slobodan Milosevic web site. Probably the user is a troll. I think this is in the light of Radovan Karadzic arrest, because Serb nationalists are now angry and trying to present the Bosnian War as a genocide against Serbs, so they decided to use propaganda for that purpose. Regarding the fifth source - an UN court judgement - it is not related to "Konjic massacre", it is related to Čelebići prison camp - a camp for arrested Serb soldiers who conducted the siege of Konjic in 1992. Some of them were arrested and sent to a prison camp in Celebici. A few Serb soldiers were killed - Scepo Gotovac, Simo Jovanovic and Slavko Susic . So the UN verdict is related to those murders, not to a "genocide", nor "massacre" against Serbs, and certainly not in Konjic, but in Celebici.
 * Delete Fails WP:NPOV and has dubious nationalist sources. No reliable sources. The creators edits are all on Konjic which is a bad sign. Artene50 (talk) 00:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I did a bit of research and it seems that Konjic massacre is not a widely accepted term. While it seems the contents of the article do check out factually, there's not an accepted Konjic massacre, and it's just that it was a relatively bloody province in which several nasty things happened, and those things are well covered in other articles.  A NPOV rewrite would end up completely erasing the text, and as far as I can tell you'd end up with things that would be better merged into other articles.  After a pretty careful examination, I don't think there's any way to save the article.  Thus, I vote delete. Vickser (talk) 02:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not place for nationalism, propaganda and similar activities, and this is the case here. I vote delete. Kruško Mortale (talk) 12:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Vickser sums it up pretty well. Live Forever (talk) 19:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.