Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Korben (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Multiple reliable sources are needed, there is one marginally maybe reliable source, and the rest are blogs or other unacceptable sources. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:20, 25 October 2009 (UTC)'''

Korben (band)

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Non-notable band. No references in the article to reliable sources, I can't find any myself. They don't seem to have been signed with a notable record company. The article is almost entirely made of fluff, but worse, I simply can't see any evidence that they would pass WP:N. Drmies (talk) 03:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There is also an article for their album, Steady Fools, which I propose deleting also. Drmies (talk) 03:42, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

That said, Korben does appear to meet WP:N guidelines: non-trivial coverage in Blogcritics, which is a reliable source: a well respected, well staffed professionally edited online magazine, not a site for willy-nilly self-publishing. The article linked in the References section indicates that Blogcritics featured Korben as "Band of the week": since this accolade is obviously finite, limited to one band per week, it further indicates notability. The article text suggests that further evidence of notability exists, but unfortunately none of it is cited in footnote references. We have statements like Korben has recorded with members of Guns N' Roses, Toto Toto (band), The Georgia Satellites, Aloe Blacc, performed live on, and guest hosted Music Plus TV's; Ten Deep, interviewed on UK Sky Digital Network, and done several live studio performances for radio stations across the U.S. The album was received with critical acclaim in the UK and United States. OK, some details would be nice! With which members of Guns N' Roses has Korben recorded? When, what? Who says so? Where have reviews of their album been published? etc. The article could also do with copy-editing and general clean-up. I do believe that the subject meets the necessary notability criteria (btw I live in Scotland and already knew of Korben), and the article has a fair amount of information even though it lacks citations. If someone's willing to spend the time and effort, this could finish up a good article, maybe even a Good Article. I think we're in danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater here. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 15:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, I too was unable to find any non-trivial coverage of this band. JBsupreme (talk) 08:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, although I have to say the article needs considerable work. I've tagged it with a "no footnotes" template, but maybe a "multiple issues" template would have been better.
 * Question. I have an open mind, but what criteria do you think the article meets under WP:BAND?  Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: I think they pass at least criterion 1: "multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable". Blogcritics has reviewed their music at least twice: in the main Band of the Week article which also included an interview http://blogcritics.org/music/article/interview-band-of-the-week-korben/ and also a review of the Korben song Super Selfish in a later separate Blogcritics article http://blogcritics.org/music/article/songs-that-touch-my-soul/ The article and its talk page also mention several radio interviews: unfortunately the only one which was specified was the interview with Pulse Rated, and the link is now dead since the station has gone into liquidation. This evidence may be fairly limited, but I believe it is sufficient and I'm prepared to accept claims of other radio appearances on good faith for the time being. There is also significant biographical information on CDConnection.com, which appears to have been used as a source (uncited) for the Wikipedia article. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 22:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Korben (band) and Steady Fools per the lack of reliable sources. The article contains no reliable sources. The Blogcritics article mentioned above is not a sufficient source. An editor at the reliable sources noticeboard (see Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 9) wrote that this website will "let just about anyone with a blog write for them, so of course they can't be considered reliable." A Google News Archive search returns no results. This band fails WP:MUSIC. Cunard (talk) 23:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't write for Blogcritics myself so I'm not really in a position to comment on how easy it is to have work accepted, but the magazine is professionally edited: the fact that much of the material may have been previously published in blogs does not itself make it unreliable. Blogcritics has won a number of awards and is an official source for Google News: those are not the hallmarks of a publication which accepts readers' submissions indiscriminately. Furthermore, as I mentioned above, there is only one Blogcritics Band of the Week per week, so this is an achievement even in a magazine which publishes many music-related articles. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.