Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Korean Air Flight 2033 (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. I believe the consensus is to Keep this article and it is no longer completely unsourced. Liz Read! Talk! 04:25, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Korean Air Flight 2033
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Korean Air Flight 2033

Unsourced article about a non-notable incident. An article on this topic was deleted eight years ago by Articles for deletion/Korean Air Flight 2033. The originator then created an article on 2 September 2022 with an edit summary including "I personally don’t know how to do the external links or references." It was then moved to draft space, and a note was left on the author's talk page, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Javyriv&type=revision&diff=1108014892&oldid=1108014130&diffmode=source, cautioning not to move the draft back to article space without references, and to use the AFC process. The originator then created this article in article space without references again. This is both a conduct issue and a content issue, but AFD is a content forum and should delete the unsourced article. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:26, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep – Had the same accident occurred in the US or Europe, no-one would dream of nominating it for deletion, but since it's a domestic flight somewhere in the far East, who cares; this strikes me as systemic bias. Yes, the article needs a lot of work and there is a dearth of English sources (although there are some: LA Times, The Indepenedent), but this event is as notable as any of the countless runway excursions with fatalities or hull losses that have their own article here – see the (inappropriate) See also section for a sample. By the way, the pilot was Canadian. --Deeday-UK (talk) 08:44, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Aviation and South Korea. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:26, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Deeday. I'm not sure about this being a case of systemic bias, but the subject is notable. A couple more sources have also been added to the article since the nomination.  Billets Mauves €500 10:54, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep – sufficient sourcing to demonstrate notability seems to exist (also this in addition to the ones linked by Deeday, along with the two references in the Korean Wikipedia article), though it would also be helpful if someone could search Korean sources, where more detailed/lasting coverage could more likely be found. This almost sounds like WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but the needed coverage appears to be there. Copyvio concerns have already been addressed, and any other user conduct issues would be out of this discussion's scope. Complex / Rational  15:40, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment might be notable, but you're needing better sources than what's given here. It happened over 30 yrs ago, should be something out there if it is notable. Oaktree b (talk) 18:53, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - User:Deeday-UK and maybe User:BilletsMauves - I take strong exception to the argument either of systemic bias or of bias. I nominated the article for deletion because it was tendentiously restored to article space without references, even after it had been moved to draft space so that it could be sourced.  I would have done the same if it had been a runway overrun incident in Iowa or Manitoba or Dorsetshire.  Articles in Wikipedia should have references.  Anyone who doesn't know that needs to learn that if they want to edit Wikipedia.  The current references were added by another editor after the article was nominated.  If you want to say that passes the Heymann test, maybe that is your Heymann test.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:55, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - I believe this is a notable enough incident, the article just needs some re-working. The lead needs re-writing for clarity, and finding more sources with more info would be beneficial- however, I do not believe it needs to be completed deleted. It's a stub that needs some help. SparklingSnail (talk) 23:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – I have now added the above two sources to the article and tidied it up. With regard to 'Other stuff exists', I'd like to point out that within the Wikiproject Aviation, these kind of accidents resulting in casualties or hull losses of major airliners are routinely covered through dedicated articles, even if some accidents receive far less news coverage and mentions in RS than others. --Deeday-UK (talk) 10:10, 7 September 2022 (UTC)


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