Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kraken (Pirates of the Caribbean)


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The result was redirect to Kraken in popular culture. A redirect is clearly favoured here. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Kraken (Pirates of the Caribbean)

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline and the more detailed Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant English-language coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar." It was deprodded with no helpful rationale (despite the fact that I explicitly asked for one in the PROD). Yet another example that PRODs are vulnerable to abuse. Let's discuss then - can anyone find anything to salvage this? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 01:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  01:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep This is the Pirates of the Caribbean version not the famous Clash of the Titans one of "Release the Kraken"!  Even so, there seems to be plenty of coverage out there.  For example, see Queer Buccaneers: (de)constructing Boundaries in the Pirates of the Caribbean Film Series which amusingly deconstructs it as a "Freudian vagina dentata"!  As usual, the policies WP:ATD; WP:BEFORE; WP:IMPERFECT; WP:NEXIST; WP:NOTPAPER; WP:PRESERVE apply and so deletion is not appropriate. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:10, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Kraken in popular culture. Most of this article is plot summary sourced to primary sources (mostly the pieces of fiction themselves), with some WP:OR sprinkled in for good measure.  I thought there might have been some decently sourced information in the "Film Production" section that could be merged, but it really does not look like there is.  I'm finding a few mentions of the Pirates version of the Kraken in some scholarly source discussing depictions of the Kraken in general, and while they can be added to bolster its entry in the broad list, none of it appears in-depth enough to support an independent article or demonstrate independent notability. Rorshacma (talk) 16:07, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Kraken in popular culture, no evidence that this fictional creature passes WP:GNG, as usual the only coverage consists of passing mentions or plot summary. Devonian Wombat (talk) 11:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect per above. It takes a lot to establish some component within a work of fiction as notable, and that is not passed here. We need 3rd party analysis of the thing, and that is lacking.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above, and per WP:NOTEVERYTHING, which is a policy too. The GNG requires significant coverage, not casual mentions or namedrops.   Ravenswing      15:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Kraken in popular culture. Not notable enough for a standalone article. Maybe merge a tiny bit if need be. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:04, 4 August 2020 (UTC)


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