Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kristo Meksi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   '''keep, as a result of expansion. Good work, people.''' DS (talk) 17:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Kristo Meksi

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Fails WP:NOTABLE and WP:ONEEVENT. While the Declaration is itself notable, and many of its signatories are as well, it does not appear that this individual is notable for anything other than his signature. I cannot find anything about him in the literature. Since he is already listed at Albanian Declaration of Independence, Delete or Merge.Alexikoua (talk) 22:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:06, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Albanian Declaration of Independence until some information is found about this person that is not already at the Declaration of Independence article.--Ptolion (talk) 14:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Automatically notable as a member of the Assembly of Vlora. Please see Articles for deletion/Zenel bej Begolli for a discussion of other signatories of the Albanian Declaration of Independence.  - Eastmain (talk • contribs)   17:05, 29 January 2010 (UTC)  (UTC)
 * Keep. Subject passes WP:POLITICIAN.  kedadi al  18:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  - Eastmain (talk • contribs)   17:05, 29 January 2010 (UTC) (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions.  - Eastmain (talk • contribs)  17:05, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect - though this person may technically pass WP:POLITICIAN, there is insufficient information to warrant an article as all the information is already contained in Albanian Declaration of Independence (where Assembly of Vlora also redirects). At the moment, the article is nothing more than a glorified redirect. These nominations should have been grouped as one.--137.122.49.102 (talk) 20:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect or Expand per 137.122.49.102. Clearly notable, but the article basically has no content.  --Philosopher Let us reason together. 21:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Albanian Declaration of Independence per WP:ONEVENT. Athenean (talk) 04:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes WP:POLITICIAN as a member of Albania's de facto national legislature. Expansion is much more likely to happen if this is kept as a separate article. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per Eastmain, Phil Bridger, and kedadi. sulmues (talk)--Sulmues 22:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Albanian Declaration of Independence per WP:ONEVENT. In this case it is more important then WP:POLITICIAN. --Tadija (talk) 22:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: This is not a ONE EVENT person, but a very well known Albanian personality whose work spans in politics and contributions in Albanian linguistics for 40 years. Please read at least a little what google book has about him, before considering Kristo Meksi a WP:ONEVENT character. sulmues (talk)--Sulmues 23:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * He is not internationally known for anything else, then this ONE EVENT. Of chores, he had a life of its own, but that's not of interest to international community. So, WP:ONEVENT. --Tadija (talk) 10:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, he IS internationally known for being the emissary of the Provisional Government of Albania to the Congress of Trieste, which secured international recognition for that government sulmues (talk)--Sulmues 14:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep per Sulmues: Passes WP:DIPLOMAT. Participation in an international congress which secured recognition for Albanian independence would qualify as taking part in a significant diplomatic event. Ray  Talk 22:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete not notable. --Factuarius (talk) 23:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, no notabilityMegistias (talk) 11:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Please explain why he isn't notable. As noted above, since he is a member of the legislature, he clearly is notable per WP:POLITICIAN.  Unless you can rebut that claim?  --Philosopher Let us reason together. 18:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem is that this claim is extremely poorly sourced. No page number is given, it is completely impossible to verify.  For all we know, Sulmues could just be making this up, and given how desperately he doesn't want the article deleted, I wouldn't be surprised if he did.  The second source, a self-published nationalist tract by Fan Noli, does not meet WP:RS and should be removed. Athenean (talk) 18:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * So what's wrong with the East European Quarterly source? Phil Bridger (talk) 18:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No page number. Can anyone actually check it and see that it actually says what is claimed?  Athenean (talk) 18:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * There are several ways in which you can check the source. You can find what libraries it is held in by clicking on the ISSN link that I provided - I'm sure that the journal has a table of contents that lets you find what page this article is on. Alternatively anyone with a Questia subscription can check it online here. Or you could do a search to check if there is a free copy available online, and it turns out that there is. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.