Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kristyan Ferrer


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Erik9 (talk) 02:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Kristyan Ferrer

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Non-notable actor mhking (talk) 12:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong keep: I had adequately put note on my first ever edit of the Kristyan Ferrer page about notablity as follows: "Created page for the actor who had a majour role in "Sin Nombre" after countless roles in Mexican TV and in feature films". This note was completely dsregarded by coleague User:Mhking. Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion is "an article about a real person that does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject". But I did mention important notability... Wikipedia has allowed tens of articles of child actors from Mexico with similar achievements, yet they stay. Refer to child actors already featured: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mexican_child_actors ... So why make Kristyan Ferrer probably equally deserving to be deleted on a rush comment put on a carefully drafted and properly referenced article? The note for deletion was put exactly one minute after my detailed page was published which was not adequate time to review content let alone notability. On a personal note, you should actually decide to attend the movie before assessing that this individual is not notable at all... To avoid deletion, on the premise that Kristyan is a "non-notable actor", I can mention these facts for notability of the actor:
 * Kristyan Ferrer has an IMDb page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2946712/ that indicates he had a major role in a major movie entitled Sin Nombre (2009 film) directed by the US director Cary Joji Fukunaga, an award winning director at 2009 Sundance Film Festival for the film.
 * IMDb also mentions as well he had a role in Nick Lyon’s "Species: The Awakening" in 2007. This is an MGM movie with Frank Mancuso Jr. producing. Here is the IMDb page of Species: The Awakening clearly mentioning Kristyan Ferrer in 2007 role: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0844894/ This role was included in the page to assert notability in an MGM production no less.
 * He is now being featured in yet another important director's project called Inhale directed by Baltasar Kormákur, an Icelandic director no less!!
 * His role is highlighted in many important articles. Most notably the official 2009 Sundance Film Festival website ranks him on the list of actors as the third in importance in the movie as follows: CAST: Paulina Gaitan, Edgar Flores, Kristyan Ferrer, Tenoch Huerta Mejía, Diana García, Héctor Jiménez. This means he is a prinicipal actor and not a "non-notable actor" as claimed above. The film went on to win top prizes at Sundance. Refer to http://festival.sundance.org/2009/film_events/films/sin_nombre
 * Take for example The "Chicago Tribune" film review. A newspaper renowned for its film reviews, it highlights names of three actors in the movie review in big All-capital letters as an intro: These are Paulina Gaitan, Edgar Flores and very significantly this actor Kristyan Ferrer. Refer to the "Chicago Tribune" article and prominent title mentioning Ferrer http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-tc-mov-sin-nombre-0401-0403apr03,0,2757047.story.
 * Roger Ebert in the rogerebert.com and in "Chicago Sun-Times" and mind you he is a critic of great impact doesn't mince his words about Smiley the character played by Kristyan Ferrer. Roger Ebert not only took note of his act in the movie as "the most frightening character", that's how impactful this so-called "non-notable actor" was on Roger Ebert: Quote: "Smiley, so young, with a winning smile, is perhaps the most frightening character, because he demonstrates how powerful an effect, even hypnotic, gang culture can have on unshielded kids." Refer to Roger Ebert comments: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090401/REVIEWS/904019992/1023
 * The "Holywood Reporter" reviews Kristyan Ferrer's role in flying colours: "An extended opening sequence set in the southern Mexican city of Tapachula tracks young gangbanger Casper (Edgar Flores) as he introduces preteen recruit Smiley (Kristyan Ferrer) to the hardcore Mara Salvatrucha syndicate with an initiation beating ordered by jefe Lil' Mago (Tenoch Huerta Mejia). After Lil' Mago inadvertently kills Casper's girlfriend in a botched rape attempt, he decides to test Casper's loyalty at the Tapachula train yard. With Smiley in tow, the gangsters begin robbing the migrants precariously riding atop the train. When Lil' Mago tries to assault Sayra, Casper's repressed rage boils over, and he fatally attacks his boss with a machete. Throwing the body from the train, Casper unthinkingly sends Smiley (Kristyan Ferrer) back to the gang, a decision that soon has his former compatriots hard on his trail, with Smiley himself resolving to avenge Lil' Mago's murder. Refer to the article: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film-reviews/film-review-sin-nombre-1003935238.story
 * The "Las Vegas Weekly" highlights the picture of Kristyan Ferrer on top of the movie review. Refer to: http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/news/2009/apr/23/sin-nombre/. The other character appearing is Gaitan. Again the paper mentions three actors in its highlighted "Details" of the movie: Flores, Gaitan and Kristyan Ferrer
 * AZ NightBuzz highlights the brutality of Kristyan Ferrer's role on the viewer: "It's one thing to watch older teens or grown men live through hyper-violent squalor, but the imagery hits harder when we see the atrocities through the eyes of Smiley (Kristian Ferrer), a boy who follows Casper, eager to do anything he can to please his sorry role models." Refer to http://www.aznightbuzz.com/stories/289718.php
 * It is obvious by now how majour titles assess the signifucance and notability of the role played by Kristyan Ferrer....
 * In addition, note that this is not a one-time occurence for notability. Kristyan Ferrer had the LEAD role in the Latino telefilm Milagros on TV Azteca as indicated in the article
 * In addition Kristyan Ferrer had roles in "Lo que callamos las mujeres", in "Puro loco", in "Qué buena onda", in "Ya cayó", in plays Rescate del Tiempo (role of Beto) and appearing in commercials not only in his native Mexico but also in the United States. In fact he has started in these in 2001 when he was just 6 and has been going on todate with this major role in Sin Nombre in 2009. So eight years and a very popular actor in his country to be entrusted such a major role in "Sin Nombre"
 * Plot of Sin Nombre (2009 film) indicates the key role of Kristyan Ferrer (nicknamed El Smiley in the movie). Here are excerpts from the plot: "El Casper (Edgar Flores) is a gang member initiating a young adolescent into the gang he follows. The latter is given the nickname "El Smiley" (Kristyan Ferrer) following a violent initiation... Lil' Mago brings Smiley (meaning Kristyan Ferrer) and Casper to La Bombilla, a location along the train tracks where immigrants stowaway on passing trains for travel to the United States... Lil' Mago, Casper, and Smiley rob the passengers for any money they have until Lil' Mago spots Sayra and attempts to rape her. El Casper, still grief-stricken kills Lil' Mago and urges Smiley off the train... Smiley goes back to the gang, telling what occurred. Furious, the gang leader accuses Smiley of "collusion". Smiley timidly protests, begging to be sent to kill Casper to prove his loyalty... Half way across the border, Smiley and the gang find Casper, and Smiley shoots him... This is the denouement finale, of the award winning movie.
 * Thus Ferrer, faced with a life-and-death decision at the end of the film, is the role that was entrusted to the long-established actor Kristyan Ferrer in this award winning movie "Sin Nombre" that got the Dramatic Directing Award (for director Cary Joji Fukunaga) and the Excellence in Cinematography Award: Dramatic (for Adriano Goldman) in the 2009 Sundance Film Festival, a film in which Kristyan Ferrer had a significant input from the opening scene of his brutal gang initiation he passes through, and appearance throughout until his act of murder of main character El Casper and his final initiation as a reward.
 * He would have been deserving a listing in Wikipedia on this single role had it not been to the so many roles (including lead roles) that he has played elsewhere making him a very popular actor and deserving of his own page in Wikpedia. Again I suggest watching the movie and checking his vast body of work in entertainment before suggesting blocking and speedy deletion of a very legitimate actor from Wikipedia as a "non-notable" actor as claimed werldwayd (talk) 13:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  14:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, based on references provided. Werldwayd, you may want to fix this as such. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 15:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * SPEEDY Keep notability asserted and provided by Werldwayd. Did the nom miss them in preforming a diligent WP:BEFORE? Rough enough to A7 prod an article with numerous assertions of notability only one minute after it's creation... but very bad form to then send the article to AfD eleven hours after it's creation when obvious efforts whre being made to improve it, and more specifically bad form after sourcing toward notability had by then been included to meet earlier concerns.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 17:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Sufficiently covered in reliable sources. - Mgm|(talk) 10:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per Werldwayd. Granite thump (talk) 18:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.