Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krutzjass


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  11:02, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Krutzjass

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This article was created in 2005 by an unregistered editor, but has never been sourced. I can find no game called Krutzjass in the literature or online, except for circular references. The article is full of contradictions. The image is clearly wrong since it only portrays 3 people, two of whom are playing cards, yet Krutzjass is claimed to be a four-player game. Neither can it be a Swiss-German game since they play Jass in all its variants with 36-card French- or Swiss-suited packs, except for the unusual game of Kaiserjass. I thought it could be referring to Kreuzjass which is the most popular form of Jass in Switzerland, but again that's played with 36 cards, not 2x24 cards. In any case, Kreuzjass is already described at Jass. And if it's a Dutch game, as the infobox suggests, it is not mentioned in the list of games from the Netherlands at pagat.com and there appears to be no other record of it online and Google Books only throws up books using Wiki articles. This should have been consigned to the dustbin long ago. Bermicourt (talk) 22:21, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:35, 25 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Can't find any evidence of this game's existence either. Interestingly, this could be Wikipedia's longest extant hoax article! Lennart97 (talk) 00:41, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and move to List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Krutzjass, no sourcing found and clearly a hoax. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:48, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure this is a hoax (does sound a bit like a cross of Jass and Doppelkopf? Plausible enough to exist in oral family tradition, which would also explain why "Weise" is misspelled as "Wiese"). I could find a couple of card sets online "for Schafkopf and Krutzjass", which is odd since Schafkopf is usually played with 32 cards. But overall, I agree with Bermicourt's assessment of "no evidence in reliable sources" (and of course Bermicourt is our local expert for card games of this type). Delete. —Kusma (t·c) 17:09, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Some people do play Jass with 2x24 cards:, which supports this not being a hoax. —Kusma (t·c) 17:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * A lot of the contradictions in the present article were introduced with the infobox in this edit and were not present originally. —Kusma (t·c) 21:35, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The article was created by a Canadian IP, which at least does not contradict the theory that this is a second- or third-hand account of the house rules of an extant Jass variant brought to Canada by Swiss immigrants at some point in the past. —Kusma (t·c) 21:48, 26 December 2020 (UTC)


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