Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krychun Lyudmila


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The result was   delete. v/r - TP 19:54, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Krychun Lyudmila

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(PROD contested with no reason given.) No evidence of notability. There are no inline references, and every one of the external links has one of the following reasons for not counting as a source for notability purposes: (1) does not mention her at all; (2) a listing page with just a list entry mentioning her or her work; (3) download page with download links for a couple of her papers, but no other mention of her; (4) non-independent source (e.g. web page of the university where she works) with only a brief mention of her. Everything I have been able to find about her by searching is of a similar nature, or else is an unreliable source (e.g. the page about her on Ukranian Wikipedia, of which this article is a translation). Everything I have seen is consistent with the impression that she is an ordinary academic who comes nowhere near to satisfying either the general notability guide or the guide to notability of academics. Technically qualifies for speedy deletion as a copyright infringement, as it is an unattributed translation of the Ukrainian Wikipedia article, but I thought it more constructive to allow a chance for others to express opinions. (Although it is not a reason for deletion, it is perhaps worth mentioning that the Ukrainian Wikipedia article was deleted as the result of an AfD discussion. It was recreated, and tagged for speedy deletion as a recreation of a page that had been deleted following a deletion discussion. The speedy deletion tag was then removed by the same editor who has posted a translation to English Wikipedia.) JamesBWatson (talk) 19:25, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: If the article is kept, it should be renamed from Krychun Lyudmila to Lyudmila Krychun, as Lyudmila is her first name and Krychun her surname. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Zero evidence of notability. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:42, 14 October 2011 (UTC).
 * Delete per the very-well reasoned nom. It's not a copyvio, though, as the Ukrainian WP is published under a CC license (all that is needed to solve the copyright problem is placing the appropriate tag on the talk page indicating that this is a translation). However, as there is no chance that this is going to be kept, the issue is academic. --Crusio (talk) 08:11, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (Technically it is a copyright infringement in its present form, but I accept that that could easily be put right, so I was wring to suggest it could have been speedily deleted. However, that is really irrelevant, as nobody is actually suggesting speedily deleting it. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:36, 14 October 2011 (UTC))


 * Comment. The subject appears to be a docent, roughly equivalent to a reader in the English university system or an associate professor in the US. It would be unusual, although not impossible, for an academic at that level to pass WP:PROF. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:53, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The Docent article says that "Docent is the lowest academic title that confers the right to teach at the university". That is far below the rank of Reader in the British University system. The latter corresponds more to the rank of tenured Professor in the US system. My impression is that the subject holds a low academic rank but, of course, academic rank (apart from a named Professorship) is not relevant to notability in WP:Prof. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:54, 14 October 2011 (UTC).
 * Our article is wrong. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:16, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't know about Ukraine, but the German system is described more or less correctly. There, anybody, even students, can teach at a university, but only if supervised by somebody who has the venia legendi (right to teach, don't know if that is the actual translation). A dozent has a "habilitation" and has (in addition) obtained the venia legendi and therefore has the right to teach, even though not occupying a position as assistant professor or higher. Their actual academic position may be way below that. So Dozent is an academic title (like the PhD) and not a job description. Whether things are the same or different in Ukraine I do not know. --Crusio (talk) 10:08, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have any direct experience of Ukraine, but did spend some time at a university in Belarus when both countries were part of the Soviet Uniion. A docent there was a job title senior to a lecturer, but junior to a full professor. Anyway, I think the distinction is irrelevant here because we are all agreed that the subject's position is well below the level at which we presume notability on its basis. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:33, 15 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete for lack of evidence of passing WP:PROF. It's possible that the evidence exists and that we haven't found it only because of the language barrier, but unless something concrete turns up we have no basis for an article. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:27, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
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