Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kryon

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP.

One vote to "merge" was ignored, as you can't merge to a red link. Of course, anyone who wants to move or merge this article is free to. dbenbenn | talk 22:57, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Kryon
Sure, it might look clean, but wait till you actually start reading it. It becomes nonsense really fast. humblefool&reg; 06:08, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment (I try not to vote on non-clear-cut cases at 1:12 AM). Google returns 67,000 hits for "Kryon".  Sure it looks like nonsense, but could it be nonsense that people believe in? --Goobergunch|? 06:12, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Then it needs cleanup. Agreed, 11PM might be a bad time to look at articles. Blegh, I'll thinks about it. humblefool&reg; 06:44, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Someone should tell "Lee Caroll and the Kryon Group" that they are the victims of a cruel hoax. They aren't channelling "a disembodied entity of a different order than human".  They are channelling Erich von Däniken.  The Google Groups test is unclear.  Many of the mentions of "Kyron" are "What is this Kyron stuff, then? I've not heard of it.", "I have Kyron books for sale.", or spoof Star Trek episodes.  The future is cloudy.  Come back later, when the spirits will be more willing to vote. Uncle G 13:43, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)
 * Keep. At a first read this article looks like a possible hoax or nonsense, however it is generating a number of hits on Google (10,000+), so it does pass the Google test. Since we have a number of fictious characters, games and worlds on Wikipedia already - with lesser Google hits, I am inclined to vote keep on this article, for now. Megan1967 00:23, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but send to cleanup. Much as I hate to encourage crackpots, a book search on Amazon.com returns 27 hits for Lee Caroll and kryon. Katefan0 19:52, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Sigh.  Lee Carroll has written a bunch of books which are available on Amazon and he and Kryon seem to pass the Google test.   By Wikipedia standards, we have to keep this -- meaning that we will now have another embarrassment on the Wikipedia. There will be two groups of editors hurling "POV warrior" insults at each other.  The first group will be trying to have the article say, effectively, "Lee Carroll is either a New Age kook or a con-man trying to bilk you out of your money".  This will be the truth.  The other group will be fighting to have the article say "Kryon is an disembodied entity whose pearls of wisdom for humanity are channelled by Lee Carroll who has kindly published 26 books about Kryon."  There will be RfC's, mediations, arbitrations, cooling off periods with the article blocked, and lots of pastel-colored template boxes permanently on the article. It will end up saying "Lee Carroll is either a kook, or he is a con-man, or he is channelling a disembodied entity of a higher order, named Kryon".   --BM 21:26, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that that will be the case. Gene Ray's edits to his own article become neutralised pretty rapidly, for example.  And fraudsters can be dealt with, too.  Both without coloured boxes.  (The boxes here are warranted in part because this article is nowhere near the quality of the others.) It's only the religions where there is a significantly large number of militant adherents where there are real problems.  And in that, Wikipedia is reflecting the real world. Uncle G 13:59, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
 * Keep --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:27, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Move to Lee Carrll, remove extraneous list at the bottom, rewrite to make it a bio-stub that says "Lee Carroll is either a kook, or he is a con-man, or he is channelling a disembodied entity of a higher order, named Kryon". - UtherSRG 01:45, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Yes, it's a load of nonsense that any adult with an IQ higher than doormat should be able to see through, but then that's the same for any religion. In this case (and in its current state) at least it adopts a neutral tone towards the nonsense. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 14:07, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Promo/BS. Wile E. Heresiarch 08:34, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/Move I only get 104 Google hits for "Kryon Group". Detail about extremely minor new religious movement. Merge with Lee Carroll or Kryon Group. -Willmcw 23:44, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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