Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kuapay (2nd nomination)


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  20:51, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Kuapay
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An directory-like listing on an unremarkable private company. Significant RS coverage not found. What comes up is passing mentions, routine notices, and / or WP:SPIP.

Does not meet the new and improved WP:NCORP / WP:CORPDEPTH. First AfD closed as "No consensus" in 2016, while sources offered there were not convincing. Eighteen months on, it's a good time to revisit. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:05, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The book provides two paragraphs of coverage of Kuapay and was published after the last AfD closed. That Kuapay received nontrivial coverage in a book strongly contributes to notability.     </li> <li></li> <li> Sarah Perez is a staff writer for TechCrunch according to https://techcrunch.com/author/sarah-perez/, so the "non-staff 'contributors'" portion of Notability (organizations and companies) about no "meaningful editorial oversight of the submitted content" does not apply.</li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Kuapay to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 05:17, 26 June 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * Notability (organizations and companies) says (my bolding): "The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of significant coverage by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." Kuapay has received significant coverage in international reliable sources. It has received coverage in these countries:<ol><li>Chile: La Tercera and es:Diario Financiero</li><li>Spain: ABC and El Confidencial</li><li>Taiwan (or China): 崧博出版事業有限公司</li><li>United States: TechCrunch</li></ol> Cunard (talk) 05:17, 26 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Pinging some of the Articles for deletion/Kuapay participants who have not commented here:, , , , and . The users not pinged have commented here, are inactive, or have editing restrictions. Cunard (talk) 05:17, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep This company got a fair amount of coverage when it was active, though the same could be said for a lot of startups. This one appears to be inactive or closed now (website has been taken over by an unrelated blogger, no social media posts since 2014).  That it's defunct isn't a good reason to delete. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 12:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Nom's comment: the sources above do not meet WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND. Two paragraphs in a book is not significant coverage. The rest is about the company's plans and aspirations, as in:
 * "Kuapay Gets An Upgrade, Reaches 600 Locations Through Trials With KFC & Others" and
 * "Kuapay Grabs $4 Million Investment, Readies Global Expansion"
 * in addition to being PR-driven coverage and routine funding news. @Ohnoitsjamie, I nominated the page for deletion because the company is, IMO, non-notable, not because it's defunct. In any case, while it was active, it was WP:TOOSOON. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:39, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe two paragraphs in a book help contribute to establishing notability. https://techcrunch.com/2013/06/05/mobile-wallet-kuapay-gets-an-upgrade-reaches-600-locations-through-trials-with-kfc-others/ contains detailed independent analysis of Kuapay. Here is an excerpt (my bolding): "Though Kuapay has some significantly sized deals under its wing now, the company’s efforts in attacking a worldwide market instead of growing region by region may find it struggling to gain consumer awareness and adoption. Shoppers already have far too many alternative ways to pay on hand, including Square and its overseas clones, PayPal, Google Wallet, and NFC-based initiatives, such as U.S. carrier-backed Isis, plus mobile payments services from leading credit card companies and banks. None have yet to establish a significant traction at point-of-sale — consumers still just swipe their cards or pay with cash. The fragmented mobile payments market is due for consolidation, which means smaller players like Kuapay may either get swept up by larger firms, or find themselves in need of a new strategy." A routine article or an advertisement would not say that Kuapay "may find it struggling to gain consumer awareness and adoption" or "smaller players like Kuapay may either get swept up by larger firms, or find themselves in need of a new strategy". This detailed critical analysis provides "deep coverage" of the subject. From Notability (organizations and companies):"Deep or significant coverage provides an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product, company, or organization. Such coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond brief mentions and routine announcements, and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about the organization." Cunard (talk) 00:47, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

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*Keep Weak delete - changing my vote - I didn't realize they were inactive - didn't read the web site carefully enough. The question is were they notable enough when they existed. Based on the fact that none of my searches alerted me to the fact that they are gone, they're in weak delete territory now. I added a source to the lede showing notability. They are the official mobile payments provider of Chile. Plus Cunard's sources, and [], [], passes WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timtempleton (talk • contribs) 19:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't have any strong feelings about keeping or deleting this article, but here are a few more mentions of the company from reliable sources – in Cinco Días, part of Spain's El País newspaper group, , and in Colombian newspaper La República and in Dinero, the country's leading financial magazine . It would be good, though, to have some sources indicating the current status of the company, as it certainly seems to be defunct, judging from the lack of any recent news or activity and the closure of its official website and social media outlets. From his LinkedIn profile, founder Joaquín Ayuso left Kuapay in 2015 , which implies that the company folded at that time or soon after – he now works for the Denizen division of multinational bank BBVA. Richard3120 (talk) 18:23, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Since the previous AfD NCORP has been revised and the standards for ringing the N Bell tightened. The level of coverage would have been dicey under the old guideline. But it fails the new and improved NCORP. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No Tim, they are not the "official mobile payments provider of Chile". That was a BS claim made by the CEO. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 11:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I can see why the retaildive article might count towards significant coverage, although it is mostly based on an interview. However, how does the LA Times piece help with notability?  That is the briefest of mentions, and although reasonable editors can, do, and should disagree about what constitutes "significant coverage", I don't see how this one helps at all.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:33, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree that it's a passing mention and unsuitable for material to flush out the article; it's merely included for the sole purpose of this notability discussion - to show that KuaPay is on the payment app radar of one of the top newspapers in the US. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:28, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete It says a lot when a so-called "notable" company goes under and .... nobody cares. I can't find a single source that reports this. Clearly the company was simply not notable. Fails GNG. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 11:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Probably marginal, but given coverage of the company in multiple countries as given I think it qualifies under notability guidelines. Hzh (talk) 15:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Just pointing out that "coverage in multiple countries" is not part of the notability guidelines. The coverage itself must meet the criteria in WP:NCORP. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 14:41, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


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