Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kukerpillid


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Mediran  ( t  •  c ) 03:24, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Kukerpillid

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No sources to show how notable as applies to notability for musicians. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:46, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * keep . Nomination witout merit. Plenty of albums, plenty of sources. - Altenmann >t 22:38, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Cn you explain their notability then? One sentence saying they are a folk music ensemble doesn't write anything about the artist, where they signed to a major music label? Did their music net certified gold or any charts those are just a few criteria we require found WP:MUSBIO. If you can help explain that as there is literally nothing in the article that claims notability. Note having albums doesn't mean it's a notable band just that they can make records. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 00:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, please refresh your knowledge if WP:MUSBIO. Having albums in major label is one of criteria. I can only assume that you are not aware that in 1970s, unlike today, there were no "non-major" labels in Estonia, and "can make records" you could not on a PC in garage. Now a small quiz for you. Can you go and read criterion #1 yourself? And then re-read the article? And then verify reliability/significance of sources cited? - Altenmann >t 03:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

What about the albums since the 1970's particularly the 90;s and 2000's still no major label or making it a chart? and recording your own Vinyls was possible even then using your own gramophone. I still think there is a lack of asserted notability here. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 03:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The group clearly satifies two criteria. Period. You are entitled to your opinion and I laud your dedication to it, but your conter-arguments do not "counter" mine. - Altenmann >t 04:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. The sources already in the article include substantial articles from Estonia's two highest-circulating newspapers apparently specifically about the group. GNews contains several dozen more hits, almost all in Estonian or (occasionally) Russian - not all will be reliable and substantial (and, not knowing either language, I can't easily search through to find which are) but some are likely to be. GBooks shows references to Kukerpillid as one of Estonia's leading folk-music groups in sources spread over the last thirty years or more (though, as most of these are only visible on snippet view, it is difficult to judge how substantial they are). The article definitely needs to be improved to become more than a short introductory sentence and a list of albums, but the materials needed to do that are fairly clearly there, even if they are mostly in Estonian. PWilkinson (talk) 13:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KTC (talk) 01:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep, the two references to central Estonian newspapers are fine.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.