Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kuku Lau


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 15:44, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Kuku Lau

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Possible hoax article. From a quick look there's no mention of this god other than wikipedia-derived sources, and the sole reference(added ~2008) may fall into that category itself. There's no mention in the Journal of the Polynesian Society, which has a lot of early Polynesian mythology material (at least as collected by pakeha). As it cannot be verified by reputable, independent sources, I propose deletion. --IdiotSavant (talk) 05:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mythology-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 06:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 06:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - if confirmed as a hoax, this would be the longest-lasting one on the English Wikipedia, existing since September 30, 2002. Also see Articles for deletion/Fetu, which is a similar deletion discussion. wizzito  &#124;  say hello!  23:14, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - Looking at the book "MYTHS AND LEGENDS OF THE POLYNESIANS" (predates Wikipedia), it says this: "The ones with whom Pele had the angry contention were Kukui-lau-manienie and Kukui-lau- hanahana, daughters of Lima-loa, god of the mirage." It also mentions the two daughters in the glossary.


 * Also, looking at the book "Pacific mythology : an encyclopedia of myth and legend" by Jan Knappert (also predates Wikipedia), it says this: "Mirage - The goddess who deludes voyagers by showing them non¬ existing countries on the horizon is called Kuku Lau." So maybe real, but not enough for an article. wizzito  &#124;  say hello!  23:17, 5 December 2021 (UTC)


 * So maybe not a hoax then. But definitely not enough for an article. The first suggests a merge with Hawaiian religion; for the second, it would be easier if we knew which subgroup it was from.--IdiotSavant (talk) 09:30, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  11:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Further discussion would be helpful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  16:13, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. This article relies on 1 source and the article looks like it could be made in 5 minutes. It is notable throughout Polynesian culture so it is not a hoax and it is article worthy. HelpingWorld (talk) 04:43, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - A "legit" goddess but not legit enough to have any signficant coverage in reliable secondary sources, let alone the mentions are too passing (i.e. the name listed in new age books about gods) to work towards WP:BASIC. Fails WP:GNG. Missvain (talk) 22:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Missvain; no significant coverage. I don't suggest a merge because I'm not convinced the information in the article is accurate. There is one source, mentioned above by Wizzito, which names Kuku Lau as the goddess of the mirage. However, most of the sources I've found describe a god of mirages called Limaloa (eg.  ). The other source given by Wizzito says that Limaloa's daughters were called "Kukui-lau", so possibly this is where confusion has crept in, or maybe the daughters inherited the post of mirage deity. Either way, we don't have enough information to verify the single sentence in the article, so a merge would be inappropriate. Hence delete. Dan from A.P. (talk) 11:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


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