Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kumiko Nishihara


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The result was Keep. John F. Lewis (talk) 01:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Kumiko Nishihara

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I'm sure there are some language issues here, but I'm really not finding anything. The movies she's done are notable, but I can't find anything about her specifically. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 21:11, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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 * Is this a test case, Blade? One wonders what the notability standards are for voice work. One also wonders how it is that so many of these articles are nothing but a list of credits--or how it is that they still stand in an encyclopedia. Drmies (talk) 03:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah; voice acting is hardly my field of knowledge, so I'm going out on a limb a bit. This one was really badly written, so I'm trying to see if maybe I'm just missing a ton of sources or this is a huge problem.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 04:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

For you to say that this article is badly written is unfounded given that most voice actors wikipedia pages follow this format. For that reason, I consider an extreme action to give this article for removal. If lack of sources was a problem I can give and I already did provide some, primary and secondary sources of the person in question. I can also provide more information. But I insist, deleting this article is premature, since Kumiko Nishihara is a veteran voice actress in japanese anime and videogames, voicing Iris in the Sakura Taisen franchise and performing in live shows as well as having many roles in anime, like Diana in Sailor Moon and Perona in One Piece. User:MauruNeko
 * The main problem is that there is no evidence whatsoever for any of the claims ("veteran voice actress"). What we have is a list, nothing more, and that list is unverified. What other articles have is irrelevant: if other articles are like this, maybe they should be sent to AfD as well. Encyclopedic articles need reliable (secondary) sources, plain and simple. The current sources in the article are unreliable (all but one)--this is a database maintained by a single person with help of other users--and don't discuss the subject of the article in any detail. Drmies (talk) 14:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I already provided a reference from the databse you said was reliable with the following information "Nishihara Kumiko (西原久美子) was born on April 27th, 1965 in Kanagawa. Her blood type is AB. She is 160 cm tall and weighs ?? kg. Her three sizes are 86-62-88. Her shoe size is 23.5 cm. Her production is Aoni Production." In that same Database you can find many information about her voice roles, which I have included in this entry, and other information too. Aside from this Database the other reference from Aoni Production in japanese also backs up some of what I have written in the article. I also provided other references too, which supports what I have written in the article. I cannot cite each and every role because not a single wikipedia voice actor page does this. Not even American voice actors that are recognized like Troy Baker or Laura Bailey does this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MauruNeko (talk • contribs) 15:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep - However, this article needs work. Her career can be verified on the JP side without that much difficulty. The JP Wikipedia entry here is much better written. This is an issue of the quality of writing in this EN article rather than notability, since her verifiable involvement in a number of JP anime/game productions are notable. Jun Kayama 21:15, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * A basic question is, how many of these unverified items need to be listed before someone is notable. Sure, writing is a problem (as in "lack of it") but the big problem--for anyone who does NOT believe that a list means notability, for anyone who believes that even in these kinds of articles regular encyclopedic standards need to apply--is a lack of reliable sources. Drmies (talk) 22:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In this particular case there do exist reliable sources; however they are not currently sourced in the article itself, which reads like a CV. A proper article on Nishihara would have included references to her involvement in the JP theater/voice acting group 劇団21世紀FOX, her position on the Oricon Charts , or at least a video interview . I suspect most of the people involved in editing this article lack the ability to source the references in JP required to make this article float. In Nishihara's particular case, there really is enough to warrant keeping the article up for editing and not pull the trigger on it immediately. Jun Kayama 23:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:Entertainer due to multiple significant rolls in notable TV series and anime OVAs (such as the her rolls in Hello! Lady Lynn, the Sakura Wars franchise, and Kamikaze Kaito Jeanne).  The first source given in the article is an official profile, which is certainly a reliable source, and which verified her major rolls.  The sources from Hitoshi Doi's website also verify many of the rolls.  His site is generally considered reliable, as he is considered an expert on Seiyuu, having been interviewed or otherwise cited as an expert by other reliable sources.  Rolls not listed on either of those pages should probably be removed, but the rolls given by those sources seem plenty to pass WP:Entertainer.  The rolls certainly aren't "unverified" as suggested above.  Note that I'm not suggesting that she passes WP:GNG (the coverage isn't significant coverage, and the official profile isn't an independant source), but I consider passing WP:Entertainer to be sufficient reason to keep an article (someone with a long acting career with multiple major roles is, in my opinion clearly notable, and that's why we have guidelines like WP:Entertainer in addition to the general notability guideline). Calathan (talk) 23:43, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I would very much like to see this article done up as more than just a seiyuu-centric one, as Nishihara is still very active and influential in the JP theater community, just as Aya Hirano has a singing career. My only issue with this article isn't the roles (which I've stated are verifiable and notable) but with the severe lack of biographical information in contrast to, say Aya Hirano. As far as Nishisawa's voice acting roles, I believe the Oricon list is more than sufficient here as a reliable source to cross-check if anyone has an issue with either of the two sources you mentioned, but as of now it isn't included. Furinkan and Kamisama do not, however, add to source value. Jun Kayama 00:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Despite my signature, I have no knowledge anime or Japanese acting (my interests in Japan are arcane even by Japanese standards); if you have questions about the usefulness of a source, the best place to go would be RSN. I wish I could help more with this, but if I definitively knew the value of those sources I wouldn't have brought this to AfD in the first place.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 00:46, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Since you did bring up the AfD, it bears pointing out that many of these JP voice acting bios in EN Wikipedia tend to revolve solely around the anime/gaming roles and credits they're known for and read like a CV. Just because most ended up this way isn't grounds for keeping the format this way, per WP:WAX, otherwise there are grounds for someone as non-notable as a cell animator for several major animation films (like those of Hayao Miyazaki to get a personal article. Major Seiyuu have a presence in JP mass media outside of their speaking parts, and inclusion of these sources for the sake of WP:RS should really be an imperative in refining these articles. Jun Kayama 06:58, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Well she is no Sachi Matsumoto, since she has played several major roles in popular anime. And Hitoshi Doi's website is considered a reliable source here, so that works for me. The article does need to be tidied up though. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly passes WP:ENTERTAINER.  D r e a m Focus  22:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep This article was previously a stub, and now it has grown more and more detailed. The biographical information needs to be added preferably by someone who understands Japanese. User:MauruNeko
 * Done. Jun Kayama 05:29, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve. Clearly passes the WP:NACTOR guideline. Cavarrone (talk) 11:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per all the above. I agree with MauruNeko about the bio info needing sources (along with the trivia section). LlamaDude78 (talk) 15:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per all the above.--Juristicweb (talk) 23:19, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


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