Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kunwar Mohinder Singh Bedi Sahar


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 20:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Kunwar Mohinder Singh Bedi Sahar

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Non-notable poet. Two references are confirm published works. External link points to a site that does not appear to be about the subject but the article doesn't give the subjects name in their native script, so that's hard to confirm. The best I can find in google is this, which doesn't amount to indepth coverage. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:54, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete per the policies in WP:AUTHOR and WP:BK. Qworty (talk) 19:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 19:30, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 22:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete clearly fails WP:AUTHOR. due to lack of reliable sources. LibStar (talk) 02:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per WP:SYSTEMIC, topics such as this will naturally be difficult to source at the same level as other western-centric articles.
 * According to the article: "An international, recorded, event to celebrate his poetry, Jashan-e-Sahar (A celebration for Sahar),[4] was held in the U.A.E., in 1992." This is sourced to the Library of Congress, a reliable source.
 * Feature video of the poet in the UrduLife publication.
 * this appearance at a major conference on Urdu poetry.
 * film producer.
 * Times of India paper called him a "noted Urdu poet" (hard to link direct due to pay wall but this Google search string will show it: "Mohinder Singh Bedi Sahar site:timesofindia.com" ).
 * He has been the subject a book-length biography titled Yadon Ka Jashn by Krishan Lal Sarang. (note: Google books has the author field wrong, verified in this source: ).
 * Also, please remember WP:SYSTEMIC when considering quality of sources and our ability to find/verify additional Urdu-language sources. -- (talk) 19:25, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * On the subject of the authorship of 'Yadon Ka Jashn': worldcat lists both editions as autobiographical. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:37, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Right. There is an error in the above source. I've changed the article and stricken the point.. Green Cardamom (talk) 21:25, 19 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep:Obviously subject passes the notability,as this-MUSIC ZONE Songs sound like jingles today: Jagjit and providing sources by Green Cardamom demonstrate the notability. I am searching more sources and will wikify and expand and improve the article.Justice007 (talk) 21:22, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - the original author of the article, User:Kiamari, left a note on the talk page on September 3, prior to the AfD, highlighted here:
 * "..simply because he is a poet who was active in the pre-internet days and writes in a language whose script is not easily transcribed to webpages does not mean that he is a 'non-notable' poet. Little information about his biography is easily found on the web... This is therefore a work in progress and will require 'conventional' research which is underway."
 * In terms of rules, the already mentioned WP:SYSTEMIC, and WP:AFD which says under WP:BEGIN C2: "If the article was recently created, please consider allowing the contributors more time to develop the article." The article was created August 24, 2012.
 * --Green Cardamom (talk) 01:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * (I'm going to assume that arguement is directed towards me, if not ignore the following.) I do New Page Patrol ten days into the backlog, use a WP:PROD with a standard seven day timer and don't PROD articles with native-language articles (unless the references in the two appear to be direct 1:1 translations). In this case the PROD was removed pretty much instantly with an edit summary that gave no hint that there was biographical coverage out there, so the second timer didn't run down, which is how we got here so quickly. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:56, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Withdraw as per excellent sources from User:Justice007 and work from User:Green Cardamom. Also per finding this link which is not in google and other well behaved search engines because this link doesn't work (see Robots exclusion standard). Stuartyeates (talk) 07:07, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Question: While we're here, I'd like editors' ideas as to whether Haryana Urdu Akademi is likely to be notable, as per . Stuartyeates (talk) 07:29, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't know the specifics on school notability but a cursory check suggests it is well known in India by respected institutions and people. Already mentioned in two other Wikipedia articles (3 including this one). Just rough estimate, would need to do the search but it probably would yield good sources. Green Cardamom (talk) 01:45, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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