Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurdish terrorism (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete WP:CSD, substantially identical to deleted. AfDs for this article: 

Kurdish terrorism

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A different article was previously deleted. This monograph by an apparently nationalist WP:SPA has much more of the things that made the earlier article unacceptable. More bias, more personal opinion, more spite. It is a truly horrible article. Guy (Help!) 19:07, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's mostly just a timeline of factual attacks, including those by Turkish security forces against civilians.
 * For example, this line: "March 29, 2006: Abdullah Duran, a 9 year old boy, was shot dead by security forces during the clashes in Diyarbakır."
 * And this line: "March 30, 2006: According to the EU-Turkey Civic Commission Submission on Recent Violence, Enez Atak, a 6 year old boy, was injured by a plastic bullet and later died in hospital, Diyarbakır.[56] Fatih Tekin, a 3 year old boy, was shot and killed by Turkish Security forces during a police raid on a civilian house in Batman during a series of violent clashes in the Kurdish regions of Turkey."
 * Yes, the attacks are "horrible", but this should not be an excuse to delete the article. The personal attacks make no sense either. Editing an article on Kurdish nationalism does not make one a nationalist. --Lrednuas Senoroc (talk) 19:26, 29 November 2015 (UTC) Lrednuas Senoroc is the creator of this article and has few or no other contributions to Wikipedia outside of this topic.
 * Comment. Perhaps the deletion nomination was triggered by the article title. While the PKK group is a designated terrorist organisation, the term "terrorist" is rather emotive, and thus some may express POV concerns. This can easily be solved by changing the article title, or by merging the article, perhaps to Timeline of the Turkey–PKK conflict.
 * Although there is the precedent of Christian terrorism, Islamic terrorism, Jewish religious terrorism and Israeli terrorism, so the article title may be justified. --Lrednuas Senoroc (talk) 19:59, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * We should at the very least merge this into Timeline of the Turkey–PKK conflict as currently, this is a POV fork. Ping, , , who participated in the previous discussion. Q VVERTYVS (hm?) 20:19, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of this has been copied from Casualties of the Turkey-PKK conflict, which was kept and renamed in 2006, and deleted in 2008. Peter James (talk) 23:16, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It was deleted at a time when Timeline articles were highly unusual on wikipedia and on the argument that the substantive content of this article is already duplicated in other wikipedia articles - but in 2015 the duplication of the content cannot be found on wikipedia. Which means that the rationale for deletion is not valid anymore. The content is not identical to the Timeline of the Turkey–PKK conflict article, although it could be merged into it, since both are timeline articles. --Lrednuas Senoroc (talk) 00:21, 30 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.