Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurt Franke


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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:56, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Kurt Franke

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An unremarkable Waffen-SS man. Does not meet WP:SOLDIER & significant RS coverage cannot be found: link.

No de.wiki article. Berger is a WP:QS author and is non RS for the purpose of establishing notability; please see this supplementary discussion of Berger & The Face of Courage at RSN permalink. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:00, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Probably delete -- We have an impressive list of medals, including one only awarded 631 times. That might make him notable, but we need some text from the citation as to what he did before I will accept he is notable.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:27, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * If the facts behind to Knight's Cross award and the Close Combat medal in Gold are presented then it would possibility meet notability; one cannot tell given the barebones presentation currently there. I don't have information to add on this soldier. Kierzek (talk) 13:48, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * Keep. It didn't take much Googling to find another source about him and add it to the article. It's an unpleasant feeling to record his deeds but that's the nature of an encyclopedia. There's enough verifiable detail here to warrant an article about him. Mortee (talk) 22:33, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: the citation added (diff) is to Berger's The Face of Courage which I discussed in this nomination. Being an uncritical, hagiographic account, it falls too far short of WP:RS & WP:NPOV requirements to sustain an article. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:32, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Literature on the SS Death's Head Division like Charles Sydnor's Soldiers of Destruction (Princeton UP, 1977; 1990) or Niels Weise's biography of Theodor Eicke, the division's commander (a PhD., published in German 2013) do not mention a Kurt Franke. Apart from listings in certain directories of certain award and medal recipients, he seems to be mentioned only in Florian Berger's originally self published work on Knight's Cross recipients with Close Combat Clasp. If the bar is not to be set at the lowest imaginable level, that does not qualify as significant coverage. I was able to find one review according to which that work conveys only loose information to the biographical facts, but focuses on a retelling of the fighting, in which the soldier has participated. Indeed, Berger mentions Franke's service as a concentration camp guard only in passing and is not able (or willing?) to name the concentration camp(s) where Franke served. The reviewer, Klaus Schreiber, characterizes the work as hero worship and unfavorably notes that there may still be a market for such publications. (Maybe that explains why Stackpole issued a translation.) Thus Franke does not meet the criteria even of WP:SOLDIER. There are not enough information to include details about Frankes personal life, education and military career. There are only information about the awards he received and Berger's work is not what I would consider a reliable secondary source. --Assayer (talk) 22:56, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete We do not need articles based on poorly research works in praise of SS officers.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:50, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Post-closure comment: The note below was left on my Talk page (diff); I'm moving it here to keep the discussion in one place. I hope that the admins would let it stay, as it clarifies the "keep" voter's position:
 * I just wanted to thank you for your note in reply to me on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurt Franke, which I didn't see until after the discussion was closed, hence my replying here rather than there. I should have noticed that you'd mentioned the author's name in your nomination, and shouldn't have been so quick to assume that a (not self-published, non-fiction) book qualified as the kind of source that establishes notability. I voted 'Keep' based on that misunderstanding but I can't say I'm disappointed to see the article go. Mortee (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2017 (UTC).
 * K.e.coffman (talk) 00:31, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
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